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This thread was originally opened in 2013 during the revolt that eventually overthrew the Yanukovyich regime and instituted democratic elections. Since the Russian invasion that began in February 2022, it's been repurposed to focus on the conflict. Some people have expressed the view that the confrontation between Russia and Ukraine, beginning in 2014, never really ended.

Although at one time claims were made that different segments of Ukrainian society were more aligned with Russia than the West, the invasion seems to have resulted in a higher level of Ukrainian unity in the face of Russian military aggression. Although it is hard to document public opinion in the occupied areas, there was never very much evidence in favor of support for the Russian annexation of sections of Ukraine.

The invasion is also a result of certain grievances proclaimed by Vladimir Putin, the current President of Russia, and used by him as justification for armed attack and occupation. Western governments, and others around the world, have joined together in condemnation of this attack.

While we do not know what the ultimate outcome of these events will be, this thread will continue to be made available as a place to record news, ask questions and express opinions about the "Crisis in Ukraine."

This map will help track the latest developments.

Mod notes

  • Do not post anything about the Ukrainian military movement and strategy. This could actually result in casualties.

  • No discussion regarding nuclear war. As nuclear weapons are not being used by either side, nuclear war is off-topic.

  • When posting social media links, please (1) state the source [e.g. Reuters reporter? State-sponsored Facebook account? Civilian Twitter/X?] (2) clarify if it is fact or opinion and (3) summarize the information being presented. If, for example, it's a single civilian voice on Twitter/X, is it really trustworthy or relevant?

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Ukraine protests: Thousands march through capital- over 100,000 by some counts

Ukrainian protesters besiege government building

Clashes amid huge Ukraine protest against U-turn on EU

Over 300,000 defy protest ban in Ukraine- "Fierce clashes erupt after protesters take to streets again, chanting "revolution" as anger against government grows."

What started as a protest against the decision not to sign an agreement with the EU seems to have escalated into a "Color Revolution" or "Arab Spring" style movement to force the government to resign. By some reports, the police are using violent tactics to suppress the street protests.

The Western half of the Ukraine has historically felt closer to Europe , and wants to move Ukrainian society in that direction. Eastern Ukraine feels culturally closer to Russia, and favors closer relations with that country. The current regime of President Viktor Yanukovich is part of that camp. The current confrontations can be seen as a clash between these two halves of Ukrainian society.Ukraine protests: Thousands march through capital- over 100,000 by some counts

Ukrainian protesters besiege government building

Clashes amid huge Ukraine protest against U-turn on EU

Over 300,000 defy protest ban in Ukraine- "Fierce clashes erupt after protesters take to streets again, chanting "revolution" as anger against government grows."

What started as a protest against the decision not to sign an agreement with the EU seems to have escalated into a "Color Revolution" or "Arab Spring" style movement to force the government to resign. By some reports, the police are using violent tactics to suppress the street protests.

The Western half of the Ukraine has historically felt closer to Europe , and wants to move Ukrainian society in that direction. Eastern Ukraine feels culturally closer to Russia, and favors closer relations with that country. The current regime of President Viktor Yanukovich is part of that camp. The current confrontations can be seen as a clash between these two halves of Ukrainian society.


EDIT (2/24/2022)

This thread was originally opened in 2013 during the beginning of the revolt in Ukraine that eventually over-threw the dictatorship of the Yanukovyich regime and instituted democratic elections soon afterward. As of this writing, in the aftermath of the Russian invasion that began on 2/23, it is not clear whether or for how long Ukraine will continue to exist as an independent country.

Statements made nine years ago still seem relevant: "The Western half of the Ukraine has historically felt closer to Europe , and wants to move Ukrainian society in that direction. Eastern Ukraine feels culturally closer to Russia, and favors closer relations with that country... The current confrontations can be seen as a clash between these two halves of Ukrainian society." Some people have expressed the view that the confrontation between Russia and Ukraine, beginning in 2014, never really ended.

The invasion is also a result of certain grievances proclaimed by Vladimir Putin, the current President of Russia, and used by him as justification for armed attack and occupation. Western governments, and others around the world, have joined together in condemnation of this attack.

While we do not know what the ultimate outcome of these events will be, this thread will continue to be made available as a place to record news, ask questions and express opinions about the "Crisis in Ukraine."

This map will help track the latest developments.

Do not post anything about the Ukrainian military movement and strategy. This could actually result in casualties.

No discussion regarding nuclear war. As nuclear weapons are not being used by either side, nuclear war is off-topic.

When posting social media links, please (1) state the source [e.g. Reuters reporter? State-sponsored Facebook account? Civilian Twitter?] (2) clarify if it is fact or opinion and (3) summarize the information being presented.

Edited by DeMarquis on Dec 25th 2024 at 7:44:33 AM

Kzickas Since: Apr, 2009
#6576: Dec 1st 2014 at 5:41:34 PM

Show me one fighter/bomber plane being used by Ukraine that is able to fly at 15000 feet. That's a pretty big hint, no?

The Russians had already shot down a number of military cargo planes in the area, and those do look a lot more like an airliner than any fighter.

emuran from the wild frontier Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
SilasW A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#6578: Dec 1st 2014 at 9:21:50 PM

But my point is rejected? tongue

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
bokhuraburnes Radical Moderate from Inside the Bug Pit Since: Jan, 2001
Radical Moderate
#6579: Dec 2nd 2014 at 11:53:37 AM

Apparently, former Georgian officials (including Saakashvili, although he denied any interest) are being considered for government posts in Ukraine.

Wait, what?

I'm decently sympathetic (despite some major caveats) to the accomplishments of the Saakashvili regime, but if true, this strikes me as rather...well, unpatriotic. And desperate.

EDIT: The cabinet has been named, and there are three foreigners in it: American Natalia Yaresko (finance minister), Georgian Alex Kvitashvili (health minister), and Lithuanian Aivaras Abromavichus (economy and trade minister). While I understand the need to get new blood in, going this far seems likely to provoke some anti-government backlash from those not associated with the extreme Westernizing faction.

Also, a Ministry of Truth Information Policy is being created.

edited 2nd Dec '14 12:16:40 PM by bokhuraburnes

First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#6580: Dec 2nd 2014 at 3:11:19 PM

[up] Is it even legal to have foreigners in key posts of your government?

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Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#6581: Dec 2nd 2014 at 3:15:13 PM

Evidently.

Schild und Schwert der Partei
emuran from the wild frontier Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#6583: Dec 3rd 2014 at 8:59:55 PM

Ukrainian PM reports accident at nuclear power plant - (Reuters) - Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk said on Wednesday an accident had occurred at the Zaporizhye nuclear power plant (NPP) in south-east Ukraine and called on the energy minister to hold a news conference.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#6584: Dec 3rd 2014 at 9:04:00 PM

I have a bad feeling about that

Oh really when?
Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#6586: Dec 3rd 2014 at 9:45:16 PM

French radiation detector people say nothing out of the ordinary happened in terms of deadly atoms at least.

amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#6587: Dec 4th 2014 at 1:31:53 AM

Confirmed. Authorities say there was no emission and that the incident ranks zero on the international scale for nuclear disasters, meaning that it was a minor malfunction with no significant consequences.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#6588: Dec 4th 2014 at 4:29:43 AM

Oh good then.

Oh really when?
emuran from the wild frontier Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#6590: Dec 4th 2014 at 8:47:21 AM

Every cloud has a silver lining. If members of the legislature will fight each other it at least means what they are voting on matters.

Schild und Schwert der Partei
demarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#6591: Dec 4th 2014 at 11:18:47 AM

There have been fistfights in the Japanese Diet.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#6592: Dec 4th 2014 at 11:43:15 AM

The Indian Parliament has regular riots doesn't it?

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#6593: Dec 4th 2014 at 11:46:39 AM

I'm presuming the comments section is full of people declaring them American puppets. Sadly my grasp of Cyrillic text is lacking, as are my foreign language skills in general.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#6594: Dec 4th 2014 at 11:50:47 AM

Can we just take the RUtrolls and Putinbots as read and not make every story about them?

edited 4th Dec '14 11:50:57 AM by Achaemenid

Schild und Schwert der Partei
emuran from the wild frontier Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#6596: Dec 4th 2014 at 11:59:31 AM

Actually, it's only half Putinbots, and half of it is Ukrainians cheering on MP Parasyuk, who started the fight (the guy shouting at the beginning, he's one of the icons of Maydan, as his speech at the decisive moment was what rallied the faltering spirits of everyone on the square and was the beginning of the victory), who's seen as one of the guys that will fight corruption in the Rada.

Khto tse, mamo-mamo?
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#6597: Dec 4th 2014 at 12:09:18 PM

My apologies.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#6598: Dec 4th 2014 at 12:17:39 PM

[up][up]

It's not that - its that the least interesting bit of any article is what a bunch of keyboard folk think about it.

Hey, emuran, what do you think about The Interpreter, the Institute of Modern Russia's online mag? I've been impressed by it.

Schild und Schwert der Partei
Quag15 Since: Mar, 2012
#6599: Dec 4th 2014 at 12:41:33 PM

its that the least interesting bit of any article is what a bunch of keyboard folk think about it.

The exception to that being when you're reading the Guardian comments section.evil grin

edited 4th Dec '14 12:41:50 PM by Quag15

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#6600: Dec 5th 2014 at 7:06:15 AM

There is now a Kickstarter for a board game based of the events of Maydan. Too Soon? What's that?

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