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Stratadrake Dragon Writer
Dragon Writer
Dec 2nd 2013 at 12:45:59 AM

What the flip?

Y'know, what if we went with an image that is less Doctor-heavy and thus less likely to see revision creep as the show's actors rotate in and out?

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.
Dec 2nd 2013 at 12:57:17 AM

[up]And it took three pages for someone to finally ask that question, why?...

A simple timeless logo or even one of the TARDIS is a great idea! Thanks Stratadrake!

crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Dec 2nd 2013 at 3:31:45 AM

Because revising the image is more fun!

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions
Dec 2nd 2013 at 7:06:01 AM

It would alow us to have an updated Doctor pic on The Nth Doctor.

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Yotsuyasan Mysterious Resident of Room 4 from Massachusetts
Mysterious Resident of Room 4
Dec 2nd 2013 at 8:06:38 AM

I like the crop, and if in the end a decision is made to go with that image, I'd have suggested it myself, but I don't get the point of the flip. Unless we're reading in Japanese or Hebrew, why order things from right to left?

I still prefer the grid, however, as while for the moment I'd agree that is a superior image, unless the BBC is kind enough to keep updating it, we'll (theoretically) just be going back to a grid again come Capaldi. So may as well stick with it for consistency, yes?

As for the question of why bother with a multi-Doctor image anyway... Well, on one hand, you have a bit of a point. And if this thread leads to a crowner and a majority picks a Doctor-less image, then so be it. But personally, I like the multi-Doctor image! And to be fair, the current circumstances are unusual, and normally we'd only be needing to discuss an update on average every three years or so. That's not terrible, is it?

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PurpleDalek Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
Dec 2nd 2013 at 10:11:12 AM

Seeing as how the existence of John Hurt's Doctor is as spoiler, I don't think we should have him on the main page.

Might I recommend this?

Dec 2nd 2013 at 10:55:33 AM

I don't see how it's a spoiler at all. I like the idea of logo here, faces there.

edited 2nd Dec '13 10:56:33 AM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
PurpleDalek Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
Dec 2nd 2013 at 12:07:15 PM

The fact that the existence of this lost incarnation was a big reveal at the end of series 7? The fact that there's a spoiler warning above his entry on the character sheets? Let's try and avoid Late-Arrival Spoiler.

Dec 2nd 2013 at 12:34:39 PM

@55 I flipped it to see how it would look facing center, from the right side of the page. I can flip it back.

Here it is in B&W for uniform clarity.

And yes, I would prefer a multi-Doctor image too... if using it would avoid leading to ongoing, series-long crowner.

edited 2nd Dec '13 12:39:20 PM by Paktra

Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions
Dec 3rd 2013 at 6:52:39 PM

It looks like goldenroad took it upon himself to go ahead and change this picture on his own, just like on The Nth Doctor. Has anyone PM'ed this troper?

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Yotsuyasan Mysterious Resident of Room 4 from Massachusetts
Mysterious Resident of Room 4
Dec 3rd 2013 at 7:09:55 PM

[up] I refer you to posts 47 & 48.

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Dec 3rd 2013 at 8:52:19 PM

[up]Should I remove his unauthorized "edit" for the time being, or let it stand until we reach a consensus here?

edited 3rd Dec '13 8:53:03 PM by Paktra

Dec 3rd 2013 at 9:05:05 PM

I think the series page should just have a logo: http://www.google.com/images?q=doctor+who+logo

(Though my favorite is probably [1], the TARDIS-shaped DW is cool, and simple/stark black and white looks best IMO.)

edited 3rd Dec '13 11:37:47 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
Dec 3rd 2013 at 9:37:38 PM

[up] Your first link is general GIS page and the second link is a 404... but I think I see what you mean.

Also, why don't we just use one of the many classic logos instead?

edited 3rd Dec '13 9:38:43 PM by Paktra

Stratadrake Dragon Writer
Dragon Writer
Dec 3rd 2013 at 9:51:21 PM

^ Or a pic of several logos since it's been on that long?

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Yotsuyasan Mysterious Resident of Room 4 from Massachusetts
Mysterious Resident of Room 4
Dec 3rd 2013 at 9:55:00 PM

I still prefer the image that is a grid picturing all of the Doctors... But if a logo is desired, I would prefer this logo, originally from the Pertwee era, which is also the logo used on the entire classic era DVD range, the Big Finish audio range, novels, and much merchandise... including occasional merchandise tied into the post 2005 era of the show. So if any version of the logo is identifiable with the series as a whole, I'd go with this one.

(A close runner up would be the "diamond" logo, from Pertwee's last season through most of Tom Baker's run, as it is associated with the most popular classical era of the program.)

But all that being said, once again,I prefer the grid of all of the Doctors... tongue

Boy Scouts : the most gratuitous self insert fic, ever! Read, if you dare!
Dec 3rd 2013 at 11:36:11 PM

[up] I could go either way... logo or face grid. cool

Dec 3rd 2013 at 11:38:55 PM

^^ Face grid might be better for other pages (e.g. The Nth Doctor or The Master)... logo for series page

^^^^ first link is supposed to be a Google search, second link fixed... I do like the idea of using several logos though

edited 3rd Dec '13 11:41:38 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Dec 3rd 2013 at 11:39:32 PM

I do not think that an additional doctor is a spoiler at all. Consider that having additional incarnations is part and parcel of this show.

Anyhow, I like the logo.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Dec 4th 2013 at 1:13:24 AM

[up][up] I agree fully with all that both of you just stated.

Dec 9th 2013 at 10:05:27 PM

Something about just a text logo is a bit off putting to me. Imagine it from a totally new person's perspective, "This show is a big deal 'longest sci-fi show ever, huh? What's it about?" and seeing just a blue title logo doesn't quite strike me as well as the grid of doctors, especially that one with the TARDIS posted earlier.

Dec 10th 2013 at 12:12:05 PM

[up] You might have a point there. It certainly seems plausible, especially to a series newcomer like me who grew up with 1am in the morning, Tom Baker-era reruns on PBS Saturday nights.

As I had only seen the shows from the 70's, I had no idea what kids were talking about when they would say, "Matt Smith is like soooo hot!"

Often, my common responses to the (often cute 16 year-old) "fans" would be "Who's Christopher Eccleston?'', "That's not the real theme song, this is!" and, "Where's the scarf?". [lol]

edited 10th Dec '13 12:28:33 PM by Paktra

Dec 10th 2013 at 3:48:00 PM

I am also a tad against including John Hurt. He is a Walking Spoiler (although a prominently featured one in trailers for the 50th, seems the Beeb isn't too concerned about that Late-Arrival Spoiler) and including thirteen (or 12 at the moment since we don't have a picture of Capaldi in character except for his Kubrick Stare) goes against their numbered "labels" while also sort of inviting a chance for confusion, eg: "if Matt is 11, why is he 12 on there?"

All that aside, his image is pretty spiffy.

crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Dec 11th 2013 at 5:57:33 PM

Because people got "incarnation" and "regeneration" mixed up. The second incarnation was the first regeneration. Yet it is very common to see people honestly believe that there was only going to be one Doctor after Matt Smith, because of the "12 regenerations" rule.

So adding an unnumbered doctor (John Hurt is "War") in the sequence fixes it so that the Ninth regeneration is called "Nine", the Tenth regeneration is called "Ten", and so on.

It also puts another division between "Classic Who" and "Nu Who", where the first is numbered by Incarnation, and the second numbered by Regeneration.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions
Dec 11th 2013 at 6:28:37 PM

Is this conversation going anywhere? We're not going to agree on anything if we keep going back and forth like this?

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