There has been absolutely no discussion, let alone argument, on the validity of Ms. Fanservice as a trope, only the quality of the examples. I'm more than a little cynical on all of the boob tropes we have (every possible way to show off the female body), but I will argue the strength of Ms. Fanservice as a strong and unique concept.
First move should be to make sure all the ZCE's on the main page are gone.
Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.He said "first move". ZCEs would have no place in the example list (except as commented-out lines, possibly) even if we redefine the trope.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.Basically, let's focus on removing the examples that don't have details on why they're examples.
We can go back to those examples after we've decided on what guidelines should be used for Ms. Fanservice and Mr. Fanservice.
Are we agreed on that?
edited 30th Dec '13 7:02:21 PM by Serocco
In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.As some help for the description. I've noticed that some Ms.Fanservice characters are used as the show's eye candy for part of a work, but then are Put on a Bus, and lose their role as eye candy when the The Bus Comes Back.
At least that's the impression I got reading the Getting Crap Past the Radar article for the pokemon anime
. BTW that page has some pretty hilarious entries.
edited 1st Jan '14 10:37:42 AM by xanderiskander
That seems extremely specific, and I can't recall any examples of it.
Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.On the other hand, in the past I've seen at least a few such ZCEs where it seemed that they were as such because the rest of the trope list contained enough Fanservice trope non-ZCEs that adding an explanation to the Ms. Fanservice entry probably seemed moot to whoever added the trope.
edited 31st Jan '14 1:01:24 AM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.But if the example itself lacks any context, it's still bad. Even if the context is "Popular tropes associated with this character are X, Y, and Z.", that's good context for a Mr/Ms Fanservice.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.If you mean the TRS guidelines, then I concur. This is not the place for it, though.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.No, more like in the opposite direction — though to what extent is not determined.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.Nobody wants to tackle a high level of misuse unless there's a group of people who really do want to fix it. If you find those people, you can end up with something like the CompleteMonster
thread over in LT/P which is a trope with rampant misuse but it's getting cleaned. Most though end up like this
and get pecked at until they're forgotten either through fatigue, disinterest or boredom. Can't get around those really.
You could write into guidelines that tropes which are misused must be cleaned but it's hard to find the manpower to get things done and far more people would be inclined to agree with watering down a trope to include the misuse as an accepted part of the trope under the reasoning that Tropes Are Not Narrow, Tropes Are Flexible and everyone figures that's what it is anyway so might as well accept it.
There, fixed the "misuse" as now the misuse is the trope and nobody needs to go fixing wicks, it's a kludge at best but it saves work.
edited 16th Feb '14 4:03:29 AM by treelo

That much context is no different from zero context, so...yeah, problematic.
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