Does Carol Danvers still have her Seventh Sense ability?

Uh, yeah; when it comes to actually practice in story, I often find those kind of statistics to be kind of unreliable...

And that falls apart when Thanos fights things like Odin and Tyrant without being reduced to a purple stain on the floor. Tyrant was so powerful Galactus needed help from a tribe of staff chicks to beat him and needed the ultimate nullifier to win without their help. Thanos is a herald of Mistress Death, who is about the same as Galactus, meaning he should get beat down even worse.

The Odin fight really is what cemented his sue status though. The artwork in infinity watch suggested Thanos was able to handle Thor, with Thor getting nothing more than a hope spot, then Odin (who is about on Death's level and thus should logically beat Thanos) turned the tables on the purple puss-only the dialog tried to imply the two were on equal footing against all logic and everything depicted on the pages.

But it also made Captain Marvel look good when Thanos could not simply wave his hands and make him go away even after he got the cosmic cube. (Thanos did not have his death powers then but cosmic cubes are supposed to be a big deal). I do not see why she cannot get the full Captain powerset if she has the title anyway. (The official kree title, not just in a book with it Monica was Captain Marvel). Can't Eon and or The Supreme Intelligence just give it to her?(the figure came from an Avengers comic, in which Pym said she could withstand a force of at least 90 tons. I took that to mean she could lift that much-75 is still better than Rogue's 50)

To that, why exactly was their such joy over Carol becoming Captain Marvel anyway? It had nothing to do with a power up. Was it in-universe recognition? I think she had more of that too. Mar-vel is the guy who got cancer. Genis is the one who went crazy and died. Phylla was...blue skinned? A bad pun? Dead? Carol was the stern soldier, the mighty avenger, the cosmically powerful (and horribly dressed) binary, the unofficial X-man, the one not supermodel skinny without it being part of her gimmick (as opposed to being thrown off a bridge). It seems she had little esteem to gain for taking up the Marvel mantle (A plot device that endures because the company is too petty to let DC use the name, so it can't be out of universe recognition either)

I highly doubt Odin and Galactus are on par with the Anthropomorphic representation of the concept of the end of life.

Thanos needed the Infinity Gauntlet to surpass her, so I agree.

True, he didn't want to do that, but shit happens.

Kinda funny how the dude has all this power, and yet still can't get a date.

The joy of Carol taking the name is in the timing, really - she got the name right as DC gave up on "Captain Marvel" for good. There is now a sense that the dispute over the name is finally over, and Carol won.

Plus, the name change was accompanied with her super-spiffy new costume.

The reason I loved seeing her take on the name is because it's just a better name than Ms. Marvel. Ms. Marvel was a feminist name for the late '70s. By today, it just looks kinda weak. She's not a Ms. She is a fucking soldier. She's actually a damned Colonel - better than Captain. But Captain Marvel just sounds better than Colonel Marvel. Colonel Marvel makes me think of Colonel Mustard. Who's not quite the right kind of awesome.

Anyway. Captain gives her a sense of authority that Ms. lacks. The fact that she took on the name at the same time she took on one of the best-designed uniforms I've ever seen in comics - it looks fantastic - certainly helps. And as an added bonus, it actually freed up the Ms. Marvel name to be taken up by someone else. I heard someone point out the other day that this is the first time they can think of that a female hero had a spin-off character inspired by her. The closest they could think of was Wonder Girl, who never got a solo title.

But yeah. She earned the Captain name. It makes her seem like a much more serious character than Ms. Marvel, at this point, could.

As for being given new powers, why? She took the name because she already deserves it. She doesn't need new power. She doesn't need to start re-telling the stories of previous Captain Marvels.

Uh, yes? I mean, not directly equivalent in all ways but Lady Death and Eternity were impressed enough by Galactus to assume he was the balancing agent between them. They were wrong but that's besides the point. Personification of death, Odin has one of those working for him, except during Ragnarok. I suppose it would make more sense if Death was out of their reach but The Stranger proved she definitely is not the biggest dog around.

Carol was in need of a good costume. I thought Binary was a fine superhero name but that eye searing bathing suit of hers is painful to think about. Her regular Miss Marvel thing was passable... on a background extra. A helmet or something would have helped. But that all could have been fixed I think by just changing the costume. The X-mutants had different suits every other month.

Still, the "Captain Marvel" issue was silly. The first two or three were okay but after that Marvel should have just let it go. Let DC have the relic from the 40s and do something new. Now I cannot bash new Ms. Marvel hard only because I have not read it yet but the premise does not impress me, nor does "female spinoff" strike me as progressive. We already had a new ethnic version of an older female character (spider-girl to Arana to spider-girl, also Wonder Woman Mayincatec, which I also have not read)

The mantles don't need legacies, the new characters don't have to succeed old ones but that is enough of my pessimism toward Marvel. I think I get why people are happy.

But the company's actual name is Marvel. Why would they not want to have a Captain Marvel? Especially since their original, Mar-Vell, was fairly noteworthy, and Carol even spun off from his stories. And Captain Marvel actually suits Carol better, these days, than Ms. Marvel. She's always been a strong feminist character. Ms. Marvel is no longer a particular feminist name. Going by a military rank is much more effective in showing her as being equal to men. Steve Rogers isn't Mr. America - he's Captain America, because he's a soldier. So is Carol. So she uses Captain, which puts her on the same level as Captain America. Even if she actually technically outranks him.

Spider-Girl is not a version of a female character. She has nothing to do with any of the Spider-Women. And it actually is rather progressive for a female character's legacy to be continued. It's very common for male heroes to pass on their legacy to someone else, for younger characters to spin off from the older heroes. But you never get the same thing for female characters, and certainly not in solo titles. This is a big deal. With Kamala Khan, it's even better because she's actually directly inspired by Carol. She's taking on the Ms. Marvel mantle specifically to honour Carol.

Not in the "in-universe" sense. But out of it Arana was going to be (and eventually became) Spider-girl 616.

The spinoff seems overly patronizing if that is really how Marvel is pushing it. A female from a female from a male? If the fans are just happy to see Carol's role in 616 world being further cemented cannot criticize that, but cannot empathize with it either. At most I am a fan who occasionally takes interest in Marvel outside of comics, the panels themselves do not generate much enthusiasm in me beyond wishful speculation.

Carol was inspired by Mar-Vell. But Kamala is inspired by Carol, and that's important, because that sort of thing just doesn't happen in comics. So people are right to be excited by it.

@28: Dunno about Odin, but Galactus is supposed to be. He's got a bad rep as far as cosmic beings go because he's such an easy target for The Worf Effect. Everyone and their grandmother can kill Galactus.

Reed Richards should never ever outsmart/defeat/trick Galactus. I don't care if Reed is the smartest man on earth, I don't care if he collaborates with Tony and Doom and the two Hanks, he's like forty, tops. Galactus is as old as the universe itself. Do the math. That one thing back in FF #49 from way back in the day is the exception, and only because it was the first story with Big G and they needed the Ultimate Nullifier anyway. Only Odin or someone with the Infinity Gauntlet or Eternity should be on an equal playing field with him. It's one thing for Worf to get Worfed, it's another for a planet-eating Elder God to get Worfed.

Not only that, but Uatu was the one who told them about the Ultimate Nullifer. All the FF (well, Johnny really) did was just bring it to Earth and show Galactus.

Dr. Strange beat Galactus once, but he has powers from Eternity/Infinity, Death, two Elder gods, two beings equal to elder gods plus an assortment of nicknacks he may have picked up over the years on top of enlightenment superpowers, the fact he can channel previously unmentioned cosmic beings as the plot demands and a working deus ex machina machine). He fights things like Lilith, Dormammu, Pluto, Set and a variety of tentacled oddities from the fifth dimension as a matter of course.

Thanos, by comparison has powers from Lady death and maybe some generic eternal stuff to go with it. Prior to that he had generic eternal stuff plus cybernetics. He should have been reduced to a pile of ashes for entertaining the thought of stealing from Tyrant or confronting Odin. Compare Deathurge, the herald of Death's male persona Oblivion. He's the Gold Fish Poop Gang of the Great Lake Avengers Initiative, a "what if Silver Surfer/Ghost Rider was a bully instead of a superhero?" That's what Thanos, who is from a narrative perspective the exact same thing as Deathurge, should be instead of a consistent big bad of the entire 616 who stars in innumerable summer crossover events. (Like Thanos imperative, watch as Thanos defeats the cancer verse and the many angled ones, because Quasar and Dr. Strange can't handle their own villains).

Witness how without remorse Thanos dissects his mother, frames his loving brother, how he murders trillions of people on dozens of planets and his home moon of Titan, how he attempted to use the cosmic cube in conjunction with the glove gems to destroy every star the in universe yet also how he gets to keep appearing and even gets sympathetic roles where Jean Grey "needs" to stay dead because she destroyed one star and populated planet while clearly not in her right mind and was horrified by it later. Thanos is such a villain sue he makes Magneto look reasonable. At least that guy has redeeming qualities and regularly loses without a clone excuse.

But Marvel could maybe win me over on Captain Carol and Darkseid's expy by having the former utterly humiliate the latter the next time he tries to take an active role in continuity. Yeah, he should technically be out of her weight class but that would make it all the more karmic wouldn't it? Something like the mad titan being unable to escape from an arm lock she learned in basic training and then being killed by an exploding gas station or a pool of slow drying cement. Bonus points, Captain Marvel avoids the danger that does in Thanos because of her seventh sense.

edited 25th Nov '13 9:22:14 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

Even out of her weight class Carol could just outsmart the overconfident or arrogant Thanos.

Carol isn't a supergenius but she is fairly bright.

I'm all for Thanos getting turned into the Marvel Universe Butt-Monkey.

Has Squirrel Girl gone up against Thanos yet?

Yes. She won. A Watcher was there to confirm that the one she defeated was, indeed, Thanos and not a clone or something similar.

Awesome.

Although a later story by the same author showed that Thanos can make clones that can fool the Watcher. It was the crowning achievement of Dan Slott's game of Squirrel Girl Author's Saving Throw solitaire.

Of course, it was also later revealed (by the same writer) that Thanos is able to make clones capable of fooling even the Watcher.

Edit: Ninja'd.

edited 26th Nov '13 8:28:05 AM by Tiamatty

I think the brain cancer might have disabled Carol's Seventh Sense to keep her from noticing it. (Not sure how sentient the brain cancer was as have not followed the series closely.)