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Tacitus Since: Jan, 2001
#3901: Apr 24th 2017 at 8:48:31 AM

Maybe it makes more sense to think of Hecatia as LoLK's real antagonist, and Junko as a satellite character of hers. Which may be a bigger shake-up to the old formula than DDC, since the midget at least as a place of her own outside of Reimu's bird house, and a motivation to do stuff in Gensokyo in the future. Though I suppose other characters could try to trick Junko into doing stuff by saying Chang'e would really hate it if she did x.

Anyway, any final thoughts on this pure fury, or shall we spin off to Hina in the near future?

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#3902: Apr 24th 2017 at 1:21:19 PM

Nah, I think Hecatia was just along for the ride because she happens to hate the Lunarians. I doubt she would've started the plan on her own.

Tacitus Since: Jan, 2001
#3903: Apr 25th 2017 at 12:43:15 PM

Huh, I thought Junko provided the grudge and Hecatia did most of the actual planning and heavy lifting. But that might have been that giselebon comic.

Anyway, let's leave Junko to her hobby. Coming up will be Sagume, Ringo, and a piece of crockery. But first,




Nagashi-hina of the Hidden God
Hina Kagiyama

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Hina_Portrait_7888.jpg

Appearance:

Stage: Scars of the Gods ~ The Great Youkai Forest
BGM: "The Road of the Misfortune God ~ Dark Road"note 
Theme: "Dark Side of Fate"note 

Spellcard Motif: Misfortune
Spellcards: (MoF, GoM, DS)
Bad Luck Sign "Bad Fortune," Bad Luck Sign "Biorhythm of the Misfortune God," Flawed Sign "Broken Amulet," Scar "Broken Charm of Protection," Evil Spirit "Misfortune's Wheel," Fate "Old Lady Ohgane's Fire," Wound Sign "Pain Flow," Wound Sign "Exiled Doll," Cursed Field "Purification River Deposit," Calamity "Cursed Hina Dolls"

Write-up:
A very specialized goddess who in many ways doesn't act like a goddess at all, since she has no shrines, gathers no faith, and most people in fact avoid talking about her. When humans ritualistically purge themselves of ill fortune by floating nagashi-bina dolls down a river, Hina collects them and drains away all that cast-off bad luck before it can harm others.

Unfortunately, being a sponge for misfortune means that simply being near Hina can be hazardous, and people have come up with a whole list of taboos and rituals to avoid interacting with her. As a result, she spends most of her time alone in the forested foothills of the Youkai Mountain, and occasionally chases away a foolish human who tries to trespass in such dangerous terrain. Another useful but thankless service, in other words, but someone's got to do it.

Relationships:

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See also the previous compendiums.

edited 25th Apr '17 12:43:25 PM by Tacitus

Tacitus Since: Jan, 2001
#3904: Apr 28th 2017 at 1:03:00 PM

So where did Hina come from? I'm not familiar with the whole "floating the doll containing your bad juju down the river" ritual, so was there always an expectation that someone would safely dispose of them once they drifted out of your life? Did she spontaneously spring into existence because there was enough divine energy around to generate someone who could serve that role? Was she appointed by one of the powers that be? Or was she something else before she volunteered for that role?

Or I guess she could be a nagashi-bina tsukumogami like we speculated last time around, but that doesn't seem as interesting.

Diamite Rainy Echoes Since: Jul, 2013
Rainy Echoes
#3905: Apr 29th 2017 at 7:08:54 PM

Hina Kagiyama:

A goddess(?) that specializes in collecting the negative aura of Gensokyan humanity. Likes spinning.

Hina collects dolls imbued with negative emotions, and takes them into her. ...But she's not really a good container, is she? I wonder if those dolls are better containers? Oh wait, she takes the curses into her so that the dolls themselves don't transform into entities that would most definitely cause trouble. So bad container or not, Hina has to do this job.

Wonder why she loves spinning. Maybe that's how she collects the negative aura. And maybe that's why it leaks out. How double-edged.tongue

...But where did Hina come from? Perhaps she to was cast down a river and became a sentient doll filled with negative emotions. She hated the negativity, so she tried to excise it. But no matter what, she just seemed to attract all the negativity that came her way from her fellow non-sentient dolls. Like, she's carrying their wishes or something(Yes, it's the feelings of the humans, just roll with it.tongue). Hm, since she constantly collects and releases negativity, it's no wonder she's seen as a god. These curses are like offerings to her. But humans can not be allowed to meet her. Youkai Mountain and unchecked curses and all that.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#3906: Apr 29th 2017 at 8:09:20 PM

I wonder if Hina came into contact with Medicine, Kokoro, Alice or Kogasa?

"Fan, a Mega Man character."
Tacitus Since: Jan, 2001
#3907: Apr 30th 2017 at 7:01:04 PM

In canon it seems unlikely, since none of them have a real reason to visit her usual place of operation. They might meet at one of those cameo-tastic parties at the Hakurei Shrine, assuming Hina's ever been sighted at one. Man, it'd be sad if she never got invited to parties. Though not surprising.

In fanon, well, there's nothing of Hina and Kokoro, very little of Hina and Kogasa, a lot of Hina and Medicine, and almost as much of Hina and Alice.

Hina also spends most of "Alice's Tea Party" sitting in the corner, reveling in all the misfortune happening in the series. I've seen that interpretation of her in other places too.

Hina collects dolls imbued with negative emotions, and takes them into her. ...But she's not really a good container, is she? I wonder if those dolls are better containers?

I think the dolls are like the hazardous materials transports and Hina is like that "this is not a place of honor" installation in New Mexico. Except she can move around, owns a business, and lingers near a major water supply. At any rate, it's probably safer to ship your misfortune out with those dolls than risk getting close to the bad luck waste dump.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#3908: Apr 30th 2017 at 7:18:34 PM

Indeed. Safety is important when you are working in any job especially in a warehouse environment. Hina is a goddess who absorbs misfortunes and imagine she knows how dangerous they are.

"Fan, a Mega Man character."
Tacitus Since: Jan, 2001
#3909: May 3rd 2017 at 6:46:28 PM

Man, Hina really does leak misfortune, 'cause she totally borked this picdump - I'd get page after page that was 95% duplicate results. Which doesn't help when there's so little to work with to begin with.

Around she goes (animated)
Embellished costume and headdress
Umbrella
Abbreviated costume
Ribbon over mouth
With her soldiers
Along the way
Backlit in a creek
Ryuuchi
Mefomefo
Terajin and again
On a branch
On a branch a different way
Someone get this girl an inner tube
Must be an updraft
With a crane
Ice cream break
Hina the White and a second moon
Paper lantern flotilla
Maximum ribbon
Top spin
Dawn or dusk
Tears and a smile
Only tears
Holding it in
Thought the petals were blood at first, not sure what that says about me
An unnervingly intense look
Yes, they all float
Bad mojo
Goth modo
There's the blood
Koto Inari, doing what he does best
Nitori goes too far
One of those existential moments.
She has an artistic side
She's featured in some good landscapes
Against the sky
In a moonlit pond
On a bridge
By a waterfall
In a boat with her charges
Ripples through the clouds
In the red woods
Among the reeds
Among the ruins
Alone in a field
In a little spot of sunshine
Between one sky and another
River buddies
Classy Neeters
Versus a witch
A tiny, ridiculous hat
Not quite symbiosis, more like parasitism
This pleases Hina
Kyouko makes everything better
And for no reason, a chainsaw
You'll want to empty it ASAP
A short series with Nitori
On the hunt
Now she sounds like Taz
Na, na na na na-na na...
If she spins the opposite direction...
WARNING: animated, and hypnotic

edited 3rd May '17 6:46:46 PM by Tacitus

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#3910: May 3rd 2017 at 10:33:33 PM

I wonder what Hina does with misfortunes, she cannot make money off of them can she?

"Fan, a Mega Man character."
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#3911: May 3rd 2017 at 10:34:37 PM

She eats them. She lives off of misfortune instead of faith, making her questionable as a god.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#3913: May 4th 2017 at 5:09:41 PM

[up][up] Why is that?

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#3914: May 4th 2017 at 5:14:57 PM

Why is what? Why is she questionable as a god? Because no one worships her, she just eats misfortune off of them. She's described as closer to a youkai than a god.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#3915: May 5th 2017 at 4:12:16 AM

I guess that makes sense. Hina is a goddess who should having follower not absorbing other peoples misfortune..

edited 5th May '17 4:12:35 AM by GAP

"Fan, a Mega Man character."
Tacitus Since: Jan, 2001
#3916: May 6th 2017 at 10:32:13 AM

Maybe she's classified as a god because the youkai want to keep their distance, don't want to be associated with her. But I guess she couldn't be banished underground like the other despised monsters because her job ties her to the surface.

Anyhoo, I'm getting the sense that we should probably move on to Sagume soon. Any final thoughts on that lonesome consumer of misfortune before we do so? Other than "wow, how is she not on Touhou's list of Woobies?" She performs a vital service but is shunned for it, making her perhaps the loneliest character in the series-

Wait, no, that's depressing. There is another path, the road to diabetes.

These tunes would make someone want to spin endlessly.

Oooh, thanks for that link to [FELT]'s remix, now I have a new circle to binge on.

edited 6th May '17 10:32:42 AM by Tacitus

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#3917: May 6th 2017 at 2:34:29 PM

What tier of goddess is Hina?

"Fan, a Mega Man character."
rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#3918: May 6th 2017 at 5:05:16 PM

She's probably an earthly god like the Aki sisters and Suwako are, though now that I think about it, how does she interact with Suwako since her sphere also includes curses?

edited 6th May '17 5:05:22 PM by rmctagg09

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
Tacitus Since: Jan, 2001
#3919: May 6th 2017 at 8:17:29 PM

Well, I think Suwako controls the Mishaguji, and they're the ones who provide the curses, but then I suppose the question is where they get their misfortune.

Wait, no, Hina's not the source of misfortune, she's someone trying to safely dispose of it. So I guess her interactions with Suwako could boil down to a lot of grumbling about an increased work load thanks to a trigger-happy goddess. Unless Suwako's keen on recycling, and every month or so a girl in suspiciously nondescript clothes, sunglasses, and a big silly frog hat comes by to visit Hina and make a quiet little exchange.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#3920: May 6th 2017 at 8:56:55 PM

Hina is corrupt?

Oh, the shocks and disappointments come one after another...

Tsk tsk

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Tacitus Since: Jan, 2001
#3921: May 8th 2017 at 11:26:40 AM

Well, you know how environmentalism is all a big scam. She says she just wants to help out and safely dispose of hazardous materials, but it's all part of a plot.

Well, let's leave Hina to spin in solitude, which is best for us if bad for her social life. Coming up will be Ringo, Futo, and someone with a very modern fashion sense. But first, hold your tongue.




Goddess who Invites Unfortunate Slips of the Tongue
Sagume Kishin

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/rsz_th15kishin.png

Appearance:

Stage: A City Free of Sabi ~ Lunatic Kingdom
BGM: "The Frozen Eternal Capital"note 
Theme: "The Reversed Wheel of Fortune"note 

Spellcard Motif: Curses, Anti-Impurity Ordnance, Divine Coronation
Spellcards: (LoLK)
Orb Sign "Disorderly Flock's Curse," Orb Sign "Disorderly Flock's Reverse Curse," Orb Sign "Disorderly Flock's Duplex Curse," Orb Sign "Impure Body Detection Mines," Orb Sign "Impure Body Detection Mines V2," Orb Sign "Shotgun Coronation of the Gods," Orb Sign "Shining Coronation of the Gods," "One-Winged White Heron"

Write-up:
A denizen of the moon who possesses an ability that is potentially very powerful, and potentially very dangerous. Sagume isn't quite a god, or a departed soul, and is in a way similar to an amanojaku, though she's much more powerful than the likes of Seija. She was the architect behind the Lunarians' plan to invade and purify Gensokyo, but she also managed to wreck this plan with a few careful sentences.

Sagume has the ability to reverse a situation just by speaking about it, especially when talking to those involved, so that if she describes a plan to achieve something it will inevitably fail, while if she discusses a problem it will end up getting resolved. She's thus quite taciturn out of necessity, but when she does talk - such as when she explained the Lunarians' scheme to the protagonist and told her about the enemy attacking the Lunar Capital - her words can have profound consequences.

There's presumably a story behind that single wing of hers, but it might be dangerous for her to tell it.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#3922: May 8th 2017 at 7:10:37 PM

It is interesting that Sagume is the anti Seija in terms of personality and plot.

"Fan, a Mega Man character."
Tacitus Since: Jan, 2001
#3923: May 10th 2017 at 6:26:34 PM

Yeah, they got a similar ability, but they're at opposite ends of the power structure. Seija is all about overturning the current status quo, Sagume is so concerned about potentially undermining it that she tries to stay silent. Unless she can seize a moment to be tricksy and use her power as a sort of cosmic double negative to get rid of a situation she doesn't like.

But man, so many questions! Where did she come from? How'd she end up so that reality warps around her to disprove her points? Is she a Lunarian secret weapon they employ in emergencies, or the equivalent of an SCP being kept in their capital because she's too dangerous to go free? Both? And what is the deal with the wing?

I'm not sure if I caught the issue of Forbidden Scrollery she appears in, and so don't remember if it provided any additional information about her. If it did her wiki page doesn't have much to say beyond revealing the existence of a hair braid.

Lightblade Since: Jan, 2001
#3924: May 10th 2017 at 6:55:08 PM

Sagume's "appearance" was only an illustration to represent characters talking about her and the Lunarians in general. She herself hasn't had any appearances other than her boss fight in LoLK and her visit to Eientei in AFiEU.

Anyway, Sagume's an interesting character to me. There's a tragic element to her power, but at the same time, that hasn't stopped her from earning a place among the Lunarian elite. I'm sure someone could make an inspirational story out of how she got where she is today.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#3925: May 11th 2017 at 3:44:01 AM

Yeah they could.

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