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Antimatter625 Baring hearts for years from my secret place Since: Jan, 2012
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#301: Nov 26th 2013 at 3:49:00 AM

Vs Everyone

Not shown: The 85000 deaths of Reimu at the hand of two wriggles note 

RE: Hakurei Shrine's size... I think you've conclusively shown that the thing's made of gapspace because its size keeps changing. Though not too much. I'd say its as big as a decent size single apartment or so.

But you know what, It really looks in all of those pictures like the (interior of the) shrine is a single, very large room. Its certainly what I imagine in my head, anyway.

RE: Cleaning. Sure, she cleans, as much as anyone living alone who doesn't like living in piles of garbage (and occasionally hosts parties) does . The impression I'm getting from you though is that the cleaning is a huge part of who she is, which might not even be what you're going for. I see it as probably just a way for her to pass time because it's mildly more entertaining than lazing around all day.

We already know what happens from past events.

Ah, I think I might have moved onto another topic. I didn't really re-address the 'losing morality' thing, so much as I went for an angle of 'she already is morally corrupt', then used the example of her intimidating the tube fox. And maybe she wouldn't have let it go. Perhaps she takes particular offense to people appearing as Marisa (The Tanuki fled before she could be bothered to retaliate, naturally)... honestly, I still think she was all to eager to beat the stuffing out of it.

And the example you gave with the 3 fairies just suggests that she would beat the fox youkai up barring other conditions. So... I... don't know how you were planning to show that giving the unholy smackdown upon the fox youkai wasn't her plan by showing that she's done it before to other characters. Ah, wait, I see now. You consider "beating the daylights out of and leaving to crawl away on broken bones, shamed and humiliated" to be "letting them go". I... uh, don't? Another difference of opinion, I guess.

My guess is that they were involved and were killed during this incident. It would explain why Reimu lives alone.

That's actually one of the explanations that I favor for my headcanon (The other being that basically Reimu was a big scaredy cat and didn't want to go toe-to-toe with out of an control youkai of almost incomparable power at the ripe old age of 10 or so.) Which, you know. Reasonable. Having the previous one killed during the incident though neatly ties up quite a few awkward questions, though, so I think I prefer it. Then Yukari was like dammit That's the third one this year! Screw it, I've gotta come up with something so these darn shrine maidens stop getting killed!

Just one more minor reminder: the Scarlet Devil Mansion was in Gensokyo at least ~5 years before EOSD. Which may make Reimu very, very young when she inherited the mantle, if we're going with her predecessor dying. Reimu'd be about 5-7 years old, possibly... which might explain why EOSD took so long to happen afterward: Remilia and/or Yukari figured it wouldn't be a good test for the spellcard rules until Reimu was capable of independent thought or something.

Though... come to think of it, I doubt the Vampire incident is >5 years old. If it were, people would probably not be so chill about the prismriver concert (5 years before EOSD) moving there. Since, you know, It would still be fresh in their minds how this vampire went on a rampage.

Although... Haha! So, lemme bounce this Vampire Incident explanation off you guys: See, after that concert had such success at the Scarlet Devil Mansion venue, the Prismrivers starting playing there more and more. During one such concert, Remilia walked outside to investigate the VERY LOUD prismrivers and the huge crowd of people jamming out to the concert being VERY LOUD. And just then, Merlin Starts up a Solo. Remilia snaps, rampage begins. Naturally, Lunasa played a heart-wrenching solo that stole away Remilia's anger as soon as she was able, but Remilia moves fast, you know, so catching up to her as she chased down the fleeing audience was awful difficult.

edited 26th Nov '13 3:50:26 AM by Antimatter625

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Diamite Rainy Echoes Since: Jul, 2013
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#302: Nov 26th 2013 at 1:01:07 PM

vs. Everyone

I saw that trailer before! Pretty epic.

In bed with the abomination

That's a rather tame portrayal of a yukkuri. Now that's taking it easy.

edited 26th Nov '13 3:36:49 PM by Diamite

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#303: Nov 26th 2013 at 2:06:46 PM

Big-eyed samurai

I'm sorry— but that actually earned an old-fashioned hubba-hubbaa outta me. Reimu can be very gorgeous when she wants to.

...

No pervo...

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#304: Nov 26th 2013 at 10:35:30 PM

The Hakurei barrier was Yukari's project and I assume she needed the help of the Hakurei shrine maiden back then to put that up. Afterwards, I would assume maintenance is up to the Hakurei shrine maiden and likely Yukari. As Yukari is still alive since the creation of the barrier, she would likely know more about how to maintain it than Reimu. Reimu may not may not be passed instructions on how to do it.

Hmm. So how much of this was political, making sure that representatives from both the youkai and humans would have to work together to keep Gensokyo alive, and how much was Yukari potentially being less powerful back in the day? Does she strictly need the Hakurei Shrine Maiden's assistance now? Beyond, y'know, doin' stuff Yukari's too lazy to be bothered with.

Also can't help but wonder how long she's been monitoring Reimu. Did she even know when Reimu took over as shrine maiden? If it weren't for PCB would she have shown up for IN and been all "we need to go save the moon from who the hell are you?"

Some possibilities on things that could happen during this [Vampire Incident]. It is mentioned that youkai were the ones who solved this. But it would be odd to assume that the Hakurei shrine maiden would just sit around and do nothing. My guess is that they were involved and were killed during this incident. It would explain why Reimu lives alone. I am also guessing that Reimu is the one who agreed on the Spell Card rules, since she is the only Hakurei member we know of as of the present.

That's actually one of the explanations that I favor for my headcanon

There's one problem with this idea: it means Reimu only got promoted to youkai-busting Hakurei Shrine Maiden before EoSD, when clearly she'd been fighting through at least five groups of youkai (and weirdos) before that point.

In bed with the abomination

That's a rather tame portrayal of a yukkuri. Now that's taking it easy.

There's a lot of sadistic bean-paste guro stuff I don't bother with, but then there's that pic, or this one, and mochizuki ado's good stuff with P2 Reimu.

I'm not sure how to file this beyond Nightmare Retardant.

I'm sorry — but that actually earned an old-fashioned hubba-hubbaa outta me. Reimu can be very gorgeous when she wants to.

I actually came close to tossing that one, the eyes kinda creeped me out. Just goes to show, I guess.

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jordantigers Since: Dec, 2011
#305: Nov 27th 2013 at 6:18:22 AM

Hope nobody minds me posting my small, poorly-worded thoughts on Reimu.
As a person, I'm with the consensus that she's pretty lazy and will only take action either when she absolutely is required to, or if something is bothering her at the moment. Reimu's greatest wish is probably to live peacefully (and not in poverty), but if that could ever happen, the universe probably won't make it easy for Reimu.
That said, I don't think there could be a better protagonist for this series. I love the idea of someone who ought to be exterminating these monsters, but instead treats everybody the same. Which is to say badly, but as if everyone was just an annoying person, rather than the people-eating creatures that a lot of them are.
So, all in all, I like Reimu. I like her interactions with characters and how others interact with her.

edited 27th Nov '13 6:18:39 AM by jordantigers

Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#306: Nov 27th 2013 at 7:07:29 AM

I admit, there is a charm in a protagonist who treats the "evil monsters" she is fighting and the human she is supposed to protect with the same levels of disinterest, but at the same time, her lack of proactivity and selfishness does end much that most of the time she has to be either coerced into doing something or does so for selfish reasons. Ah well.

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#307: Nov 27th 2013 at 10:54:56 PM

[up][up] The whole purpose of this thread is to allow anyone to share their thoughts on the characters, no matter what they may be. You should never feel afraid to speak up.

For someone who's fought youkai as long as she has, Reimu's pretty remarkable for not developing any animosity towards them. And that's certainly for the best - a more pro-active, youkai-hating shrine maiden might abuse her position to make as big a dent in their population as she could, defeating the entire purpose of Gensokyo. I suspect Reimu's similar to her predecessors in this regard.

Thinkin' bout Reimu's relationships.

Border Team

It's about balance, see, borders can't exist without something on either side. Reimu champions the humans, Yukari acts as a youkai advocate in her own way, and between the two they keep Gensokyo together. They don't govern, certainly, Reimu doesn't have the inclination and Yukari can't muster the effort. But they keep the balance, grudgingly hauling themselves out of bed to solve the problems that threaten the land (or in Yukari's case usually prodding someone else to do something).

And in their own ways, they're making things better. Reimu's advocacy of the spell card rules has revolutionized alternative conflict management in the pocket dimension, while Yukari's helping her fellow youkai take incremental steps to changing the nature of their predations on humans; both clearly wish to avoid conflict, or failing that create a world where conflict doesn't end in someone being eaten.

The big difference between the two is stylistic. Yukari's a schemer, a manipulator, a worker by proxy. Reimu just hits things until they stop being a problem, she's never needed to develop much in the way of tactics or subtlety. Apart from that, they're almost different sides of the same coin.

Does Reimu recognize this? Does she see Yukari as her youkai counterpart, or just another bother?

The Red-White and Black-White

If the Reimu-Yukari relationship works because they complement each other, Reimu and Marisa work together as opposites. The mildly rude but honest, loafing shrine maiden who inherited her abilities, vs the outgoing but chronically-deceitful witch who works her tail off just to stay Gensokyo's #2. It's a bit of a puzzler why they'd get along, much less forge such a long-lasting friendship, but as early as SoEW Marisa was willing to try and cheer Reimu up if she got a bad ending.

I think it's because despite their obvious differences, they've got some important similarities. They're both empowered girls trying to make their way in a dangerous land, both grew out of their early mentor figures. Marisa's estranged from her family, Reimu doesn't seem to have one. And they're both karmically neutral-ish, Marisa's occasional efforts to save Gensokyo probably balancing out the times she stole from its inhabitants, Reimu's role as the land's defender diminished by her lack of interest in it. Both are invested in the future of Gensokyo, even though bother don't quite fit into it, despite the role they've played in its history.

So in each other they can see values they appreciate, and an alternative path that makes them glad they're perfect the way they are. They can respect each other's ability, swap tales of the foes they've faced, and explain how they would've done it better. And why wouldn't they get along? Marisa can be a real charmer, and Reimu gets along with everybody.

Supposedly Reimu treats everyone the same, but I think there's one girl in Gensokyo who she feels stands out from the rest, someone who isn't just another magic-flinging human, someone who might be more important to her than the others she's defeated and subsequently defended.

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#308: Nov 28th 2013 at 12:26:49 AM

Well, I don't know if Reimu isn't as lazy the fandom makes her sound but I think she kind of makes a half hearted effort at stuff.

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#309: Nov 29th 2013 at 1:32:26 AM

Aything else we want to say about Reimu?

Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#310: Nov 29th 2013 at 4:24:09 AM

Uhh...

She has detatched sleeves. What is up with that? Either case, her sleeves and general color scheme seem to be the last remnants of her original shrine maiden design.

I got nothing.

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jordantigers Since: Dec, 2011
#311: Nov 29th 2013 at 4:45:12 AM

Was she a born a brunette or a purple?

Prime32 Since: Jan, 2001
#312: Nov 29th 2013 at 8:21:40 AM

[up] My headcanon for all PC-98 inconsistencies: They're stories told by Genjii, and his memory isn't what it used to be.

EDIT: Reimu's EoSD profile mentions an ability to manipulate 霊気 (reiki), which is currently translated as "auras". I was just pondering whether this should be changed to "spiritual energy" when I came across something on this Wikipedia page...

Chinese lĂ­ngqì 靈氣 was first recorded in the (ca. 320 BCE) Neiye "Inward Training" section of the Guanzi, describing early Taoist meditation techniques. "That mysterious vital energy within the mind: One moment it arrives, the next it departs. So fine, there is nothing within it; so vast, there is nothing outside it. We lose it because of the harm caused by mental agitation." Standard Chinese lĂ­ngqì is translated by Chinese-English dictionaries as: "(of beautiful mountains) spiritual influence or atmosphere"; "1. intelligence; power of understanding; 2. supernatural power or force in fairy tales; miraculous power or force"; and "1. spiritual influence (of mountains/etc.); 2. ingeniousness; cleverness".

edited 29th Nov '13 10:30:13 AM by Prime32

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#313: Nov 29th 2013 at 10:50:35 PM

I'm pretty sure nobody in this thread has mentioned this, but Reimu (and Yuyuko) cameoed in something called Lord of Vermillion and has a profile for it. Apparently her recent dream is the "annihilation of youkai." Also, she's weak to fire.

Closing thoughts on Reimu: she's a protagonist, but also to a large extent a pawn. She was chosen for her role before she was even born, trapping her in an endless series of ceremonial "exterminations" that don't benefit her more than her fellow humans, who rarely hear of her deeds. She's saddled with powers she didn't work for and doesn't really want, but occasionally has to use for chores like saving the world for the nth time. She is perhaps Gensokyo's most important figure, but belongs to neither the world of humans nor of youkai. Her only friends are beings who at one point were trying to blast her.

This probably does much to explain her negative qualities, which makes her positive qualities all the more remarkable. She's managed to avoid developing an intense hatred for the group she's constantly battling or the ingrates she's constantly battling for. She somehow manages to get along with just about everybody. And I think, despite her complaints, she's at peace with her existence and finds happiness in her situation. Sure, she could buckle down and become a proper shrine maiden, or take up Byakuren's preachings to try and create a Gensokyo that doesn't need her, but Reimu's probably fine with the status quo. Which is good, because she's stuck enforcing it.

And have one last picdump.

Flashin' those pits
Grateful
She's on the right
Serious miko
Flippin' out
Persona!
Fizzling clothes
Tag says leaf, I think cinders
These are clearly petals
That's a rope
Rockin' the butterfly
Havin' a ball
Another album cover
Flaming calm
Looks like a disaster waiting to happen
Making an entrance
PCB
IN?
Contemporary antiheroines
Modern miko in repose
Yukari can have whatever eye color she wants
Rival battle
Street Shooter IV
And while we're at it...
Red eyes are creepy
This is the point her hair turns purple
Sure, let's add some Hinduism to the mix
Seen this all over the YouTubes
Some sort of water flower
Six years old, huh?
Take warning
Through the fire and the flames she carries on
Party time
Yukari did it
Taking those "starving miko" jokes too far
Le yukkuri face
Alright, but I think this guy did it better
And away she goes

edited 30th Nov '13 7:59:53 PM by Tacitus

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Diamite Rainy Echoes Since: Jul, 2013
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#314: Nov 29th 2013 at 11:11:01 PM

Alright, but I think this guy did it better

Oh my, Marimunote  and Reirisanote  are very cute.waii

Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#315: Nov 30th 2013 at 4:18:30 AM

...I mentioned Lord of Vermillion during the Yuyuko discussion! Then someone else did and I said "hey, I already mentioned that.".

I just didn't mention Reimu's because I felt it didn't add anything of note.

Anyway, I guess you have a good point. She was born to a position and great responsibility she may not exactly want, and spends her life either constantly fighting or hanging out with former enemies, but she doesn't mind it and doesn't really hate either side. She is content. I guess this is why she is static, the "now familiar" shrine maiden.

edited 30th Nov '13 4:20:05 AM by Otherarrow

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#316: Nov 30th 2013 at 3:38:24 PM

I found an interesting analysis of Reimu at Maidens of the Kaleidoscope.

I mostly wrote this because I'm sick and therefore have more free time than I know what to do with and also because I suddenly felt the urge to essay something. I was failing (not "playing" because that would imply I have some degree of competence at it) Touhou at the time so why not this, you know? Massive TL;DR here; you have been warned.

As the protagonist of the doujin-series juggernaut that is Touhou, it's difficult to traverse the internet without seeing her name at least once. She is undoubtedly a popular character, beloved by many, and it's no stretch to say that she's just as iconic as the series itself. That isn't to say she doesn't have her share of detractors. Despite ranking first in the last three (Japanese) annual character popularity polls, there are many who are indifferent to or even outright dislike her, particularly in western circles, where characters like Marisa and Remilia have garnered significantly more fans. However, regardless of whether you love her or hate her, it is undeniable that to know Touhou is synomymous with knowing Reimu's name. It is my intent and desire to try and analyze this character in an attempt to achieve a greater understanding of her, as well as the series as a whole. Discussion, criticism and argument are gladly welcomed and encouraged.

Now, as with many characters in Touhou, Reimu's character has a wide variety of different fan-interpretations, many of which are radically different from one-another. This, of course, is attributed to the uncountable number of derivitive works that exist for the series. It's only natural, of course. Although a large amount of supplementary materials for the series exist expanding on character personalities and characters, these materials didn't start popping up until after Imperishable Night, the eighth game in the series, whereas Touhou's popularity really kicked off after the release of Perfect Cherry Blossom, which was the sixth. Even before the sudden boost in popularity, the series has existed for a long time prior to that point, and due to the nature of the shoot-'em-up genre, there was never an opportunity to flesh out and expand on the characters, so fans were only give a bare-basic outline of who they were. The PC-98 games further muddle the water, since characterization was never a priority back then, and Reimu's personality in particular shifted from game to game. She only gained a "standard" personality starting from Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, the sixth game and first game of the Windows series, which in turn completely ignored all prior characterization up to that point, essentially giving Reimu a clean slate, a trait shared by other "carry-over" characters, such as Marisa and Yuka. All this gave fans the opportunity to create a number of interpretations, some of which became so popular that they became deeply-rooted in the fanbase' minds. So much so that even when series creator ZUN started releasing more character/dialogue-oriented written works which gave the characters more solid personalities, the fan interpretations remained strong, to the point where in the minds of many fans, those interpretations override the canon characterizations created by the original creator. In the case of this character analysis, I will ignore all of these fan interpretations, instead choosing to delve solely into how ZUN portrays her. I will also ignore the PC-98 era, since ZUN obviously did so as well. Of course, despite this, a lot this is my own personal interpretations of the character, which is inevitable since I only have my own views to work on. As such, I don't expect anyone to agree with my views.

One more minor detail is the concepts of "time" and "age". While ZUN has stated on at least one occasions that the characters do in fact age, the exact progression of age has never really been made clear throughout the series. This is especially odd since time very clearly progresses in Touhou, with characters making references to "xx year(s) ago" at various points. Despite this, the characters' ages are very difficult to pinpoint, and it's very difficult to tell if they're even aging at all. For the most part, the series is quite static as far as character development and maturity goes, with most of the characters being no different from how they were years ago, mentality-wise. While logically, Reimu should by all means be at least in her later teens, the series and ZUN himself continue to treat her as a child, which is made further perplexing when one compares her to otherwise immortal/exceptionally long-lived characters such as Remilia or Alice. ZUN, himself, seems to be particularly averse to her becoming "too old", and it is unknown how this affects her aging. Since this is an analyses of the character as ZUN writes her, it, too, will treat and refer to her as a child. However, as this is a relatively minor point, and this is an analyses of her character rather than the physical age progression of humans, I expect this to be not really affect anything too much. And so, moving on to the analysis proper...

As far as Reimu's character profile goes, there is very little change in-between games. Particular notes are that she is incredibly easy-going, treats everyone the same, and that she is neither cruel nor kind. A very fair and unaffected person. She has been noted a few times to be a somewhat lazy person, one who dislikes training, and that as she personally believes that hard work will not be rewarded, she never puts forth a very large amount of effort. She's not particularly close to anyone, and generally lacks interest in people as a whole. Aside from her abilities as the Hakurei Shrine Maiden, her personal ability is the power to fly, which seems to mean something very different for Reimu compared to others. People are apparently drawn to her, regardless of their opinions of her. She's a highly honest and emotive person, and always says and shows precisely what is on her mind. Because of this, it is easy to tease her or get a rise out of her. She posseses a highly simplistic, sometimes air-headed mindset, yet she also possesses an otherworldly air that makes it difficult for others to understand her. Her sense and values are completely different from normal humans, and she is not bound common sense. Perhaps as a result, she's highly optimistic, and rarely believes that things may go wrong. Although she can seem wise beyond her years at times, at others, she is shown to possess a rather bizarre thought process, while still maintaining a certain childishness and curiosity. The list goes on, but these are her main points. Outwardly, she's a pretty normal girl, one who can be cheerful, annoyed, angry or bored, depending on the situation.

Her easy-going nature is almost always among the first things that anyone notes about her. She lives purely in the present, without any particular interests, and simply moving through the days without a care in the world. When an incident occurs, she will take care of it without the slightest hesitation and resumes her daily life. In a sense, she never goes anywhere, always staying in the same place, never changing, never desiring to change. Yet, freely flows like a breeze, unaffected by anyone or anything. She's pretty simple-minded. After all, a person who spends most of the time sitting in their shrine watching the clouds without a single thought in their mind can't be called anything other than simplistic. Although she'll express annoyance or anger at situations placed before her, once the source of her ire disappears, she'll continue on as if nothing ever happened. She never dwells on anything. This also extends to her relationships with people. Although she has many acquaintances, none of them are closer to her than anyone else. In particular, Marisa is frequently portrayed as her closest friend, but Reimu has never once treated her any differently from anyone else. She's fair-minded, and doesn't treat anyone any better or worse than anyone else. This also extends to enemies; although she is stricter towards youkai, she won't hesitate to defeat humans or even gods who present themselves as her enemies, but will immediately drop all hostilities afterwards.

While becoming friends after defeating an enemy is nothing new in fiction, Reimu's case is rather unique; she doesn't become friends with them, but simply stops regarding them as enemies. Furthermore, the "defeat means friendship" card only comes into play once the protagonist gains an understanding with their opponent and becomes empathatic to them. Reimu, on the other hand, seems to actually lack empathy. She's entirely disinterested in people and their situations, and only stops treating enemies as such when the incident they are causing is resolved. However, she will immediately see them as enemies once more when they start up trouble again. Her sense of detachment is quite extraordinary considering her character archetype, and what's even more interesting is that she fails to develop or change over a period of time.

For a simple example of her detachment, in derivative works, it's not rare to see Reimu portrayed as a money-grubber whose so-called "poverty" drives her to extreme avarice. However, it has been noted several times that Reimu's view of the world is different from those of others; money has never been shown to be particularly valuable to her. In the words of Rinnosuke in Curiosities of Lotus Asia, to Reimu, money is no different from any other slips of paper. She understand that they hold value to human society, and also understands that she needs money to live, but she, herself, holds no real value over it. While some would note that she has attempted to steal treasures on various occasions (Perfect Cherry Blossom, as well as Reimu A's scenario in Undefined Fantastic Object), note that "money" and "treasures" are two different things. Precisely what "treasure" means to Reimu has never been explained, but as far as UFO's concerned, while treasure is apparently indeed something that would be nice to have, she won't be too disappointment if there isn't any either. Ultimately, it was probably just a whim and just as quickly forgotten.

(Strangely, the one thing that Reimu DOES seem to hold some attachment for is her shrine, as she cried when it was destroyed for the second time in Scarlet Weather Rhapsody. However, this may simply be due to the fact that without the shrine, she wouldn't have a home, as well as the amount of time it would take to rebuild it for a second time, seeing as how she didn't cry the first time it was destroyed.)

To further expand on this subject, earlier, I called Reimu a simple person, and this is really no exaggeration. She freely admits to being empty-minded most of the time, without a care in the world. On top of that, her optimism is well-documented. She always flies in headfirst into any and all incidents regardless of the odds or what may occur. It's not that she's courageous; to begin with, she has no attachments to life from the start, so even dying probably wouldn't affect her much. To be courageous, one must have fear; to face that fear head-on is to be brave. If one doesn't have a concept of fear to begin with, one can't be brave. Thus, Reimu's pretty much not afraid of anything.

In a sense, she is actually quite pure. Now, "pure" does not mean that she is innately "good" or anything. "Pure" in this case is meant to show how completely unaffected she is. No matter what happens or what obstacles appear before her, she will breeze through without the slightest care. Although she'll get angry or irritated, the end result still won't change; she's incredibly straight-forward. Nothing and no one can colour her; she is defined solely by herself. She's not grounded by "common sense" or "logic". She's solid, yet at the same time transient. In a sense, her greatest ability, "Fantasy Heaven", is quite perfect for her, in that it defines her so well. She floats away from everything, becoming completely unaffected by anything, absolutely untouchable, yet capable of affecting her surroundings as she pleases. Her purity gives her a kind of complete freedom that no one else has, unbound to anything, unable to be bound to anything, whether it be to the physical or even to life itself. Her power truly is to "fly freely".

It's not as if this is a good thing. Being "pure" also means not only that no one can truly understand her, but also that she can't understand others. In the first place, she's not interested in understanding anyone to start with. In a sense, it might be said that she is completely alone at heart, something ZUN has noted at least once. However, she fails to realize this, and probably wouldn't care if she did. While it ultimately depends on one's point of view, such an existence is neither good nor bad. I have said that she posseses a certain freedom, but at the same time, there is no one with heavier shackles. Because she is the Hakurei Shrine Maiden, she is the only person in all of Gensokyo with a strictly defined role. She is the only one with a true "duty", and from the day she was born, the only road for her was already laid out in front of her. Her purity may give her unrivaled freedom, but it's also another shackle as well: She apathy to her own situation makes it so that she will never try to escape her fate. She will never complain because she has no complaints. Is such a contradiction to be pitied or envied? In the end, that, too, is up to interpretation.

Interestingly, despite her detached persona, she possesses a surprising amount of curiosity. Her extremely different viewpoints allow her to see things differently from others, and thus reach conclusions no one else does. It's no surprise that with all her gifts, she's also quite bright intelligence-wise. At the same time, she's still young, and quite naive at that, so there's much she doesn't know. She is known to be a frequent visitor of Kourindou, and she tends to be highly curious about the various odds-and-ends that appear that, showing a large willingness to learn, and listening to whatever Rinnosuke has to say (so long as he has anything worth listening to). However, her curiosity rarely lasts, and once she's adequately satisfied with what she has learned or fails to learn anything at all after a while, she'll completely lose interest soon after, much like a child.

On that note, although her detachment is well-documented, what does that mean for her status as the series' main heroine? Is she a good guy or is the only reason she does the thing she does due to her duty as the Hakurei Shrine Maiden? But it's wrong to say that she is defined solely by her duty, because along the way, she has done a number of "extra" things that have nothing to do with her role. The introduction of the Spell Card System, for example, is the most obvious one. She had repeatedly solved all incidents prior to that point with little trouble, so there shouldn't have been a need to evoke such a rule, should there? The only ones who were in a difficult position were the youkai who were meant to start the incidents; although the Hakurei Maiden was free to stop them as she wished, that wasn't the case for the instigators. The Hakurei Shrine Maiden was a necessary part of Gensokyo, and defeating her was strictly out of the question. Although certain mavericks might have challenged this rule out of ignorance or apathy, ultimately, the entire situation was, from start to finish, within the Hakurei's favour. The Spell Card System exists to give those youkai a fighting chance. Although they still can't go all out against Reimu, she can't go all out against them either. Rather than a contest of power, the ongoing "war games" between Reimu and the youkai became precisely that, a game, with rules both sides are bound to. Thus, even if Reimu lost, it wouldn't affect Gensokyo as a whole. And while many argue that Reimu never loses, it has been noted on several occasions that Reimu DOES, in fact, lose occasionally. While she does like to win, to Reimu, a loss doesn't really matter much, and since she never goes all-out to begin with, she doesn't really lose face when she loses either. Thus, the only ones who had anything to gain from the Spell Card Rules were the youkai. But why was it necessary to introduce such a concept in the first place? This can be attributed to another unique trait of Reimu's: Although her empathy is questionable at best, she does possess a sense of sympathy. She was sympathetic to the youkais' dissatisfaction with the former scheme of things, and changed things so that things to fix that.

But perhaps this isn't the best example, so let's try another one. During the events of Silent Sinner in Blue and Cage in Lunatic Runagate (the latter of which was personally penned by ZUN), Reimu saves a youkai rabbit that happens to collapse nearby and spends the night nursing her back to health. As a youkai hunter, she obviously had no reason to do this, such an act being the direct opposite of her job. Although it wasn't a particularly major event, it did show another side to Reimu's character. Presumably, she would do the same for anyone, regardless of who they are or their species. Although Reimu's personal on the matter are never addressed, it was still a very interesting event nonetheless. Did she do it out of kindness or a sense of morality? Personally, I don't feel this is the case. I believe that concepts of "kindness" and "right and wrong" hold no meaning in Reimu's simplistic throught process in the first place. She saw someone who had collapsed and decided that nursing her back to health was the thing to do. It's no different from feeding someone who's hungry or beating up someone who is causing trouble. In other words, she just wanted to. That's all. Of course, she ended up trying to steal the youkai's scarf thing afterwards as payment, but she didn't seem too broken up when it was taken back.

I believe this has much to do with the "otherworldly air" that Reimu is stated to have. Indeed, she often exhibits entirely separate values and views from others. In Reimu's mind, "right" and "wrong" clearly don't have much meaning. For the most part, she simply does as she pleases, and it's just that what she pleases happens to be beneficial to her surroundings. Thus, despite her neutrality, she's also a surprisingly altruistic person. The altruism isn't a result of the so-called "goodness" in her heart, but simply depends on what she wants to do. This ties in well with the "purity" aspect of her character; she's not chained by concepts such as "right" or "wrong"; it's just that "right" happens to coincide with most of her actions. She's really just doing whatever the hell she wants, whenever she wants.

Oddly, despite all her... "unique" characteristics, no one ever really notes anything to be "off" about her. Not just the characters, but us as well. Although she is certainly not normal in any stretch of the word, the words "strange" or "creepy" is never one that enters one's mind when they think about her. A child who has absolutely no attachments to anything, whose very being seems to be one borne entirely out of fantasy... Ordinarily, someone like that would automatically go into the "Creepy Child" page in TV Tropes, yet this isn't the case here. Perhaps it is because of how "natural" she is. It's not as if she's a bad person, and as long as you don't piss her off, she's quite harmless. And in the series proper, it seems just about every character likes her. It seems that pretty much everyone visits her occasionally, and even though she's always stopping their plans, none of the former villains ever hold a grudge against her. It's not even restricted to named characters either. Hell, when she was about to fall into a river without noticing, fish rose up to form a bridge under her feet, and celestial birds seem to like her well enough too. Wild rabbits approach her without the slightest bit of care, so it seems animals like her a lot. And on our end, it can't be a coincidence that Reimu's popularity started to rise once more and more supplemental material fleshing out her character more and more either, even going so far as to eclipsing former unstoppable juggernauts Marisa and Sakuya. Of course, I'd be lying if I said I didn't like her either.

In conclusion, while I made it all seem very deep and complicated, the way I see it, Reimu is really just a very simple girl. Of course, she has things she likes and dislikes like everyone else, and she'll freely express how she feels no matter what. Her thoughts, actions and way of life are all very simple and easy-to-understand. She's just an easy-going girl living in the present without really thinking much about anything. While she has a lot of mysterious qualities, and it's hard to tell exactly what she's thinking, I believe that is simply how she is. So why did I write all this? First and foremost is because I like Reimu. I wouldn't be able to write this if I didn't, so that much is obvious, and I simply wanted to spread my interest in a character that I like to others who might share my interest. I can't say that I am "correct" in my views of her, and my views might very well change the moment I finish this paragraph, but I don't think I'll ever stop liking her. That's all.

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#317: Nov 30th 2013 at 3:48:08 PM

That's really good. Though I'd like to note that while "strange" or "creepy" don't seem to apply, "otherworldly" does now and again. Particularly when you see her play danmaku and space seems to warp around her, or when the character in Dolls in Pseudo-Paradise sees her dancing in the clouds. (If you take that as canon, anyway.)

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#318: Nov 30th 2013 at 8:16:46 PM

Hmm, we really didn't pick up on that "otherworldly" aspect of her, did we? The reality-warping stuff can be put down to her superpowers more than her personality. But... "otherworldly" fits. She can float away from reality at any time. More than that, she lives alone in a shrine on Gensokyo's border country, removed from human and youkai affairs by distance (and laziness) if not vocation.

I'm not sure about how a Muggle would react to her. My first impression is that Reimu's got a certain something that sets her apart and draws youkai and other weirdos to her, but that may not be the case. Maybe, for all her otherworldlyness, her tendency to drift away from reality, she's also intrinsically anchored to Gensokyo in a way that balances out. Instead of feeling more or less "real" than an average human, she comes across as normal. If tactless.

...Reimu dancing in the clouds? Yeah, I could see that. When she's happy, and feels like dancing, she'd probably dance regardless of audience or circumstances.

...I mentioned Lord of Vermillion during the Yuyuko discussion! Then someone else did and I said "hey, I already mentioned that.".

No, I distinctly don't remember embarrassing myself during the Yuyuko discussion by forgetting that you already mentioned LoV.

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#319: Nov 30th 2013 at 9:46:15 PM

I believe that Reimu's someone who, unless it's necessary to her, thinks that expectations are overrated. She'll do this and that her own way, and as long as peace is sustained, there's nothing to be mad about, right?

...At least, that's one way of looking at 'otherworldly', I think.

edited 30th Nov '13 11:05:12 PM by Diamite

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#320: Nov 30th 2013 at 10:03:33 PM

Ah, so being the opposite of "worldly." That does work.

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#321: Dec 1st 2013 at 1:48:52 PM

Good run, Reimu. Next in our lineup is Meira, followed by Komachi aaaaand (digital dice roll) Sara! Blame the RNG.






Samurai
Meira

Appearance:

Stage: Raijuu ~ Midnight Rainstorm
BGM: "End of Daylight"*

Theme: "Power of Darkness"*

Attacks: Shooting lasers from her sword, zipping around with her sword, launching deadly bouncy balls

Write-up:
Mima wasn't the only one seeking the power of the Hakurei during Story of Eastern Wonderland. While passing through some woods on a rainy night, Reimu was attacked by the samurai Meira, who similarly wanted her power. Needless to say, the samurai failed and only narrowly escaped a shallow grave.

What makes Meria stand out is just how hilariously badly this confrontation went - Reimu was barely paying attention, but seemed to think the whole event was a weird marriage proposal or something, which evidently didn't bother her. Some fans take this to mean that Meira is handsome enough for Reimu to mistake for a man, others conclude that Reimu's just fine with being propositioned by other women. Then there's the matter of Meira wanting the Hakurei power in the first place, which combined with certain similarities of name and hair color lead some to suspect that she and Reimu are related. And then there's the question of who this samurai's feudal lord might be, and whether she's working for Mima or pursuing her own interest.

So that's Meira - while other characters accumulate charm points from their designs or garner interest from the backstories, she distinguishes herself through her interactions with Reimu, for better and for worse.

Relationships:

  • Reimu (it was supposed to be a normal fight!)
  • Hakurei Power (how does one seize that?)

Contributions:

Samurai of Shade and Shine
by diamite

See also the first two Compendiums.

edited 2nd Dec '13 7:26:40 AM by Tacitus

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Formerly G.G.
#322: Dec 1st 2013 at 2:02:45 PM

I always wondered about Meira, I read in the other compendium that she might be related to Reimu or something. Anyway, how does anyone intend to take the Hakurei power? It isn't though that it would be a simple as beating up Reimu and most of us know that isn't really possible.

"Thanos is a happy guy! Just look at the smile in his face!"
Grounder Main Character Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
Main Character
#323: Dec 1st 2013 at 2:09:29 PM

Ironically, the only way to steal Reimu's power is a marriage ceremony.

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#324: Dec 1st 2013 at 2:50:24 PM

I'm going for the 'relative' theory on this one, if just to add some interest to her

Also, SoEW pretty much defined the Hakurei power as a yin-yang orb with a goofy ability

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Formerly G.G.
#325: Dec 1st 2013 at 3:04:57 PM

[up] Which is actually kind of odd to me since the Yin Yang Orbs aren't really something anyone can just take.

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