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May 28th 2017 at 9:44:45 PM

I'm still a Marvel newbie, so I'd like to ask - is there a decent Adaptation Distillation of the MU (particularly the "good ol' days") as a whole? Some people tell me the closest thing is the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but others say that takes too many liberties & shortcuts with the source material...

Basically, I'm looking for the Marvel equivalent to DC The New Frontier, or Alex Ross' Justice. From what I've gathered on my own, the Ross-illustrated Marvels is fairly close; might there be anything else?

May 29th 2017 at 2:06:44 PM

It's so funny that a happened upon this, I've been brainstorming doing this exact thing for the last week and was looking for ideas to give me a start. I should have figured somewhere on the internet other comic fans were doing the same. I would definitely like to join the google docs group of thats still open. My email is

kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
May 29th 2017 at 3:25:24 PM

So I finally sat down and edited the Golden Age document, mainly with a list of the Invaders of Justice's members and a general plot outline of their Golden Age series which I may or may not write at some point. If you've been following this thread, then you probably already know the gist of it, but I could still copy'n'paste it up here in case anyone not on Google Docs wanted me to.

Sonic and the Freedom Fighters — Blue Horizon:
May 29th 2017 at 5:30:09 PM

Here are some ideas regarding character origins that I thought some people might find useful. As usual, M= Marvel and DC = DC (duh)

Billions of years ago:

  • The first humanoid race, the Malthusians (DC), evolves. They soon develop advanced technology.
    • A group of Malthusians try to help a primitive civilization by sharing their technology. Instead they used it to create weapons of war and ended up destroying themselves. As a result this group swore never again to interfere, but only to record events. They would become known as The Watchers (M).
    • Another group braved the Final Barrier of the universe in an attempt to reach The Source (DC) of the Power Cosmic (M). They succeeded, but were transformed into The Celestials (M) in the process.
  • Yet another Malthusian, Krona (DC) created a machine to learn the origin of the universe, despite The Watchers' warning. He ended unleashing a force that turned many beings across the universe evil. After banishing Krona, the Malthusians convened on how to handle the situation. Some wanted all evil beings destroyed, others wanted just to contain them. This resulted in yet another split; the 'hawks' eventually became known as The Controllers (DC) and the 'doves' eventually became the Guardians of the Universe (DC). The Guardians would later invent the Power Batteries and Power Rings of their agents, the Green Lantern Corps (DC) (albeit they got the idea from the Quantum Bands of the Protectors of the Universe (M).) Meanwhile The Controllers created the Miracle Machine (DC) (actually the first Cosmic Cube (M)) and later, their own Corps, The Darkstars (DC).
  • Magic begins leaking into the normal universe from another dimension (perhaps the Fifth Dimension (DC).)
  • The Elder God Cthon (M) writes down his knowledge of dark magic in an indestructible set of scrolls, the Darkhold. (M)
Millions of years ago:
  • The Celestials come to Earth, and perform an experiment on a pair of cavemen, introducing genes that lead to the evolution of homo sapiens, aswell as two hidden races, the Eternals and Deviants (both M)
  • Homo Magi, a race capable of using magic naturally, evolves on Earth (DC). (They might also be a by-product of the Celestial's interference.)
    • The Magi begin to interbreed with humans, passing on their magical ability to their bloodlines. Due to dilution however, human mages cannot use magic without spells.
      • The last full-blooded Magi hide in an invisible city to avoid contact with humanity.
Tens of thousands of years ago:
  • The Darkhold is used by Atlantean cultists to create Varnae, the first vampire (M).
  • Atlantis and Lemuria (M AND DC!) become the first technological nations of Earth.
  • Atlantis develops advanced sorcery; Prince Arion (DC) becomes one of the first Sorcerer Supremes (M).
  • A war between Atlantis and Lemuria causes both islands to sink.
    • The City of Poseidonis (DC) survives thanks to a dome; they then use their science to turn into water-breathers.
      • A brood of blue-skinned Poseidonians emigrates south and re-found the city of Tha-Korr (M).
    • The citizens of the Atlantean city of Tritonis (DC) use magic to survive the sinking, by becoming merfolk.
Thousands of years ago:
  • With the reinvention of writing, Magic is rediscovered by Babylonian sorcerers such as Shazam (DC) albeit it is still primitive.
  • Meanwhile, extradimensional beings invent much more powerful spells. Most notable among these are The Vishanti, who compile the greatest book of White Magic, the modestly-titled Book of The Vishanti. tongue
  • A group of Martians (DC) infiltrate Egypt disguised as Egyptian Gods (both M and DC). They discover the Celestial genes and mix in their own, leading to the creation of Metahumans (DC)
Hundreds of years ago:
  • During the American Revolutionary War, nurse Bess Lynn adopted the costumed identity of Miss Liberty (DC) to inspire the troops, becoming the first American Hero.
  • During the days of the old West, numerous heroes (both M and DC) also used costumed identities.
Decades ago:
  • The Crimson Avenger (DC) is the first costumed hero of the 20th century.
  • Several Heroes join forces as the first hero group, the Justice Society of America (DC).
  • After the bombing of Pearl Harbor, The All-Star Squadron (DC), a team that includes *all* American heroes (M and DC) is stablished to protect the homeland.
  • Due to Hitler's use of the Spear of Destiny, many heroes are unable to enter Axis territory. Those who can form a team, the Freedom Fighters (DC, with members from Marvel's Invaders) for special missions there.
  • After the War, Howard Stark (M) establishes Stark Industries.
  • Charles Xavier (M) rediscovers the Meta-gene, which is named X-factor after him. He defines those whose gene activates naturally as Mutants (M and DC) and those that are stimulated by outside forces, Mutates (M).
Years ago:
  • Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman (all DC) debut within days of each other.
  • The Justice League of America (DC) is formed.
  • Next comes the Teen Titans. (DC)
  • The Fantastic Four (M)
  • The Avengers (M)
  • The X-Men (M)
  • Dr. Strange (M) becomes Sorcerer Supreme.
  • Bruce Banner Becomes The Hulk.(M)
  • The Silver Surfer (M) comes to Earth.
  • The Defenders are founded.
  • Scientific And Technological Advanced Research (DC) is established. They're mainly a private think tank.
  • Reed Richards (M) begins to (slowly) make his inventions available, mostly to the government, and even then, only those he feel will not be abused. STAR occasionally works with him (but honestly, he outclasses them all.)
  • Lexcorp (DC) is established. It's Stark's biggest competitor.

kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
May 29th 2017 at 6:04:22 PM

To hell with it. Here's my general outline for The Golden Age for all to see. If anyone has any questions or comments, feel free to ask. And without further adue...

The first heroes were around at the time of WWII. All of America’s heroes were for all intents and purposes drafted under the All Star Initiative and formed into a number of smaller squads, though the most prominent of all were the Invaders of Justice. Their members were as follows:

-Captain America (Steve Rogers)


-Human Torch (Jim Hammond)

-Black Widow (Clara Voiyant)

-Blazing Skull

-Doc Nemesis

-Green Lantern (Alan Scott)

-Flash (Jay Garrick)

-Hourman (Rex Tyler)

-Atom (Al Pratt)

-Dr.Midnight (Charles Mc Nider)

-Robotman (Robert Crane)

-Wonder Woman (Hyppolyta)

(To clarify, the Justice Society had still formed before World War II and was the still the world’s first Superteam, but they were only together briefly before the War began and the Government handpicked the Invaders of Justice squad. They would get back together after the war.)

This particular squad was formed by the Eternal Brain, formerly one William Carmody. Carmody was working on a brain transplant procedure that could increase the brain’s mental powers provided it was kept outside of an actual living body, one which certain people would be more than willing to get their hands on. One thing led to another and Carmody wound up meeting his maker, not that it would matter. Before long, he found himself in strange new surroundings, now literally a brain in a jar, but with considerable mental powers. After dealing with his murderers and those who would wish to steal the knowledge of the procedure for themselves, the Brain decided to become a force for good, and was soon tasked by Washington to form together the lynchpin of the operation, a force that could turn the tide of battle singlehandidly. (Just to clarify, Hippolyta joins later on, after the rest of the team has come together.) Occasionally, certain heroes from other squads could also be called in when needed, but for this moment, the Invaders of Justice were these heroes’ primary group.

Regarding the Spear of Destiny: The Spear of Destiny is a mystical artifact that was used by the Axis to keep a number of heroes either of mystical influence or susceptible to it out of Axis territory, and thus out of the war. However, as discussed below, someone would have another use for it...

At first, the group went up against various threats as they came, such as Meranno, Baron Blitzkrieg, or Arim Zola, but it wouldn’t take long before a greater threat emerged. At the onset of World War II, Vandal Savage pledged his services to Adolf Hitler, though he was only using the war for his own gain. He was accompanied by his wife and child, both not quite immortal, but still very long-lived, the former due to a magical ceremony that Savage with his own passing knowledge of the occult performed on her ages ago, and the latter simply due to being his offspring. For much of the war, he remained behind the scenes, preferring to play the role of a Chessmaster than to show his hand. The Invaders continued to go up against anything or anyone that posed a threat to the Allies, but more and more, it was clear that Savage was gradually becoming their most persistent and perhaps even dangerous adversary.

At some point during the War, the Nazi’s of our Earth make contact with another group of Nazi’s from a parallel universe, one where the Nazi’s have already won the war due to their technology simply being that much more advanced than in our own, as well as the fundamental laws of that universe tilting to their favor. Our Nazi’s form an alliance with that other Earth, (which would be later known as Earth X,) to take over ours as well. The Invaders of Justice try to stop them, only with their first attempt ending in failure as Captain America is captured. They try again, this time enlisting the help of the Freedom Fighters, another squad. With their help, they’re able to save Captain America and fight Earth X off, as well as prevent them from making contact with our Earth for the forseeable future. However, most of the Freedom Fighters choose to stay behind on Earth X as that Earth has no heroes to call its’ own, and they want to give that Earth a fighting chance. The only member to stay behind is the Human Bomb, but only because he hesitated at the last moment, and regrets staying behind.

After many more adventures, (including perhaps one involving another parallel Earth, this one being post-apocalyptic,) the end of the War is finally in sight, and much to their amazement, all of the mystical heroes can sense that the Spear of Destiny is longer active. Naturally, they all find this suspicious, but they can’t afford to miss this chance. The entire All Star Squadron (the name for all of the heroes under the All Star Initiative when they’re all called together,) assaults Berlin to help lead the final charge. Unfortunately, this is exactly what Savage wants. All of his other plans and efforts were either mere diversions, simply doing his job as a Nazi soldier, or a means of arranging things into place. And now, even though the Axis is all but doomed, Savage can get everything he bargained for. He takes the Spear of Destiny for his own, turning it back on when all of the movers and shakers such as the Spectre, Dr.Fate, Zattara, and more were all in one place, and now, he has them all under his thumb with none the wiser. With them under his power, he could have reshaped the world however he chose, but he had something even better in mind. He forces them to pool their efforts to create the Cosmic Cube, a device of such raw cosmic power that it could allow anyone who used it to reshape reality however they wanted, and without having to rely on anyone else to do it for them. In the end, the heroes are able to wrest both the cube and the spear from Vandal, but only barely. But this would not be the end of him.

In 1951, Mc Carthyism had reached full swing, and the JSA and the All Winners Squad — the All Wingers Squad being composed both of members from the Io J that didn’t join the JSA as well as new members — were given a choice; either reveal their identities to the House of Unamerican Activities Committee, or retire. Ultimately, both teams decided they’d rather let the world take care of itself than submit to a witch-hunt. They’d still come together when absolutely necessary, but other than that, they were through. And they had every intention to tell HUAC this at their next scheduled hearing. However, one day before this occurs, something rather unexpected and disturbing happens. On that morning, Alan Scott wakes up only to find that the world has become an authoritarian dicatorship overnight, with Vandal Savage as its Supreme Leader. Somehow, in the 5 years since the end of the war, he had managed to recover the cube and use its power for himself. And now, it’s up to Alan to to get the Invaders of Justice back together for one last mission to take him down once and for all. (Which they do of course.)

edited 31st May '17 4:24:30 PM by kkhohoho

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McSkywalker The Man With The Golden Hand from Los Angeles, CA Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
The Man With The Golden Hand
May 31st 2017 at 12:21:12 PM

So, is this project still in the works? I've been coming in and out and I haven't seen any concrete, you know?

edited 31st May '17 12:21:34 PM by McSkywalker

VampireBuddha Hungry dinosaur from Ireland Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Hungry dinosaur
May 31st 2017 at 2:00:37 PM

[up][up]Are we still doing the crossover where the {Justice Initiative | Justice League and Avengers} chase the revived Red Skull back in time to stop him from turning the tide of the war?

kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
May 31st 2017 at 4:59:04 PM

Speaking of the Justice League:

I'd suggest they start with the classic members: Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, and Aquaman, since their origin involved teaming up to stop an invasion (of sorts) that target their individual home cities/regions (also according to my timeline above, most modern Marvel heroes had not debuted yet. (note that at this point, Namor had amnesia and was a homeless man.)

Afterwards they greatly expanded because of their habit of inviting every hero they ran into to join- though some, such as Metamorpho, declined. Note also that most of these heroes were active in different cities; this was not likely a coincidence (when you are protecting a whole city on your own, its good to have backup.) This might be another reason why the Avengers was mostly a New York superteam... the League got the rest. (But presumably they got Firestorm, who is NY-based.)

Meanwhile the Avengers got pressed by the government into making a deal if they wanted to keep their Quinjet and other privileges. This is where agent Girich enters the picture (perhaps replaced years later by Amanda Waller.)

The Detroit League was formed after Aquaman complained the 'Big Guns' of the League were not always there when needed (well excuse them for being busy saving the world all the time) with backing from the now-retired Commander Steel. Years later when the Avengers initiative happens (assuming it does) its former members might join. Captain Atom, due to his government connections, also joins the Initiative.

Rather than merging with the Justice League, the Global Guardians fill their ranks with various international Marvel Heroes (mostly those from Contest of Champions- the original series.)

Jun 1st 2017 at 8:14:02 PM

I have an idea to throw in, I was thinking about doing this for my own crossover universe. What if as a lead in to the possible Crisis Crossover Event is done an alternate future Captain America is introduced to the world. Revealing herself as Sharon Rogers the daughter of Steve Rogers and Sharon Carter. Her coming to this reality is to serve as a warning that a massive scale calamity is coming and her reality was one of the first ones attacked and destroyed.

McSkywalker The Man With The Golden Hand from Los Angeles, CA Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
The Man With The Golden Hand
Jun 4th 2017 at 12:21:13 AM

I only asked the question because this thread's been ongoing since 2013. It is now 2017, folks. Perhaps, it is time to let the dream fade away. Just my two cents.

kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
Jun 4th 2017 at 7:23:50 AM

[up]You're assuming that we actually wanted to do something with this. For the most part, it's just been brainstorming ideas for how the two universes could be merged if someone were to do so. Sure, we've tried to do something with all of this once or twice, but by no means is there anything saying that this has to be anything more than a nice little brainstorming thread for fun.

Sonic and the Freedom Fighters — Blue Horizon:
RavenWilder Raven Wilder
Raven Wilder
Jun 4th 2017 at 8:21:26 AM

I haven't read too much of this thread, so I'm gonna ask: has the idea of having Galactus be responsible for destroying Krypton come up?

"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko
kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
Jun 4th 2017 at 9:23:10 AM

[up]I think so, but don't quote me on that.

Sonic and the Freedom Fighters — Blue Horizon:
Jun 4th 2017 at 12:38:09 PM

Yes, and in fact it was even used in an actual Marvel/DC crossover comic, I believe (but it turned out to be incorrect.)

VampireBuddha Hungry dinosaur from Ireland Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Hungry dinosaur
Jun 4th 2017 at 3:49:05 PM

Not only has it been brought up, it subtly appears in my Superman/Fantastic Four origin story.

Jun 18th 2017 at 5:58:57 PM

@Axillary Deezy added you.

So of the ideas we came up with, do we like any of them? kkhohoho

Lets start with the main era. When should the age of mainstream heroes start. I know @kkhohoho has the Golden Age stuff already set, but what should happen after that? Should it be split into eras, like the New Frontier, or something else.

And kkhohoho, feel free to make any changes to the Amazons doc. The stuff I have is based on your original proposal, so feel free to update it if necessary.

[down]don't worry about it, was just seeing if anyone would be interested. d

edited 18th Jun '17 6:56:41 PM by megaeliz

kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
Jun 18th 2017 at 6:25:27 PM

[up]Yeeaaah, about that. I'm very sorry about this, but I'm going to have to bow out of this project. I just started my own big fanfic project over in the Sonic the Hedgehog Fanfiction Thread, (which I've actually started writing actual material for,) so I don't know how much time I can really devote to this. I can still contribute ideas and whatnot, but I can't really do anything beyond that. Again, sorry about this.

edited 18th Jun '17 6:26:10 PM by kkhohoho

Sonic and the Freedom Fighters — Blue Horizon:
Jun 18th 2017 at 9:40:03 PM

As I mentioned, I don't have time to write full fanfics (I'm writing a book) but we could use our ideas for another rpg here at TV Tropes (yes we already have JLAvengers but nothing says that has to be the only Marvel/DC game.) Here are some suggestions:

  • Marvel and DC characters only. Characters from other universes integrated into those (like Static) are OK.
  • The character's origin must be from the comics (in case there's more than one version, pick one.)
  • Only Heroes should be playable. Not villains or anti-heroes. I'm not saying some of those aren't interesting, but ultimately superheroes are about Good vs Evil, and too much moral freedom ruins things. I speak from GM experience.
  • That said, any hero, from Forbush-Man to the Spectre, is allowed. This is balanced by the Character Invincibility Rule: only the character's player can decide how it is affected by anything, even the greatest powers; something just happens to save him/her (and this is typical in comics.) The catch is that this applies to NPCs too, and can be overruled by the GM, so don't abuse it and let your character be hit sometimes. Note this doesn't apply to nameless characters so villain minions, for example, are fair play.
  • You can only play one hero at a time, but may switch to another at will (but after explaining what happened to the previous character first.)

How does that sound?

edited 18th Jun '17 9:42:24 PM by Sijo

Jun 19th 2017 at 3:38:04 PM

[up]Added to the docs

edited 19th Jun '17 3:41:15 PM by megaeliz

Aug 14th 2017 at 2:12:00 PM

My Marvel/DC project has been launched as a reboot of the Justice Avengers game. See here [1] if you'd like to join.

Sep 8th 2017 at 12:33:26 PM


Peace out scrubs.
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