Marvel-DC Merged Universe Community Project...

does anyone want to start this again using Google Docs? just put your google accounts name and I'll invite you.

loldude974@gmail.com

So I have one person so far, I was hoping to get more.

So I was waiting to see if we could get more, but would you like to start anyway?

I haven't much more than skimmed the last fifty pages.. anyone here want to reconcile the DCU and MU's various magic-users? On the DC side, Neil Gaiman already did a buttload of the legwork in The Books of Magic - does Marvel have any equivalent?

I already posted an idea of how magic can work, but it wasn't very popular. I'll take another stab at it.

In the merged universe, magic is objectively, verifiably real. As such, it can in principle be studied scientifically. Anybody who tries to say that magic is somehow beyond or outside science simply does not understand the fundamental basis of science. Indeed, Dan Slott uses magic to justify clones having the memories of the original body.

So what is magic? Magic is a set of forces which permeate space and time, and which may be manipulated by conscious thought.

The Power Cosmic is the primordial form of magic, capable of all things. It is wielded by primoridal beings such as Galactus and Phoenix. Beings who originate after the Big Bang are not mormally capable of using the Power Cosmic, though a wielder may grant them this ability, as Galactus does to his heralds.

As the universe expanded, just as the Planck-scale force split into the fundamental forces, so the Power Cosmic split into the different types of magic, leaving only primordial entities able to access the undifferentiated magical essence.

Differentiated magic, used by the magority of magicians, comes in divine, infernal, and neutral forms, vaguely analogous to electric charge. Divine magic is attuned to positive emotions, infernal to negative emotions, and neutral magic is not specifically attuned to emotions, being more the product of pure willpower. Divine, infernal, and neutral magics can achieve many of the same end results, though they go about it differently, and some effects are easier with one type than with another; for example, enchanting a weapon so that it will cause unhealable injuries is much easier with infernal magic, while it's easier to heal someone using divine magic.

Unlike electric charge, divine and infernal forces attract each other and repel their opposites. This is why religious symbols repel vampires.

Magic also exists on a spectrum from order to chaos. At the chaos end, magic is entirely will-driven; essentially, it's conscious reality manipulation. Chaos magic is ultimately weaker than order magic, but it is much easier to use a greater amount of it to achieve a more impressive result. Due to its greater accessibility and more direct interactions with the caster's brain, excessive use of chaos magic can have a detrimental effect on sanity, meaning that practitioners must restrain themselves from using it for every little thing.

The more orderly the magic, the more attuned it is with the physical world, and the more difficult it is to use magic to do one's own bidding. Thus, order magic can achieve greater effects than chaos magic, but requires lots of rituals, symbols, and artifacts to properly manipulate and channel it. A sufficiently skilled order magician can use order magic to achieve impressive results by willpower alone, but even they will need to perform an elaborate ritual to pull off the really epic stuff. Diving too far into order magic carries the risk of going insane from learning the true structure of the cosmos.

Thoughts?

How's the Sorcerer Supreme title fit into all this? Is it still some kinda cosmically-mandated thingamajig, and does Stephen Strange now have stiffer competition?

Marvel never had an series officially defining magic *that I know* but basically the lore from Doctor Strange and Thor applies.

From Thor we get that all gods are real (and unlike what the movies say, very much supernatural) however not all myths are; basically anything that contradicts science or other myths was stuff invented by their worshipers.

From Dr. Strange we get that there are three basic types of magic: Personal, Universal and Dimensional. Personal magic is drawn from your own being (mostly for psionic-like effects), universal energy draws from your surroundings (energy manipulation, usually) and most famously, Dimensional magic invokes spells created by powerful extradimensional beings such as The Vishanti.

A Sorcerer Supreme is simply the most powerful sorcerer in a given dimension. They *are* supposed to protect its inhabitants but that has varied by the individual. On Earth, the succession process is confusing because there was a contest to decide the current holder with the winner being required to grant a wish to the second-place winner- the last time it was Doctor Doom. However this was contradicted when Strange was replaced by Brother Voodoo- who was neither powerful enough to qualify nor won the contest. This seems a case of very poor writer research.

So, should I add you guys to the List as well?

I was thinking, we could create a group on Google Docs so we could have an easier time keeping track of what we come up with. I was thinking we can organize it into different subjects and eventually different books.

If you want to join, put your account name and I'll share the sign in sheet, just so we can actually establish a sharing group, and find out who's interested.

edited 18th May '17 5:17:34 PM by megaeliz

I'm too busy to write stories right now. I can share my ideas though.

You know what? Fuck it, sign me up. Besides, there's a series I always wanted to do/redo anyways; The Golden Age. Figure I might as well give it another go.

EDIT: Sorry; google account name is kyleanderson205@gmail.com

edited 19th May '17 1:50:28 PM by kkhohoho

I will, when I get home. Just been busy getting stuff done before finals.

Edit: done

I was just thinking it might be easier to have documents instead of threads

edited 22nd May '17 3:13:59 PM by megaeliz

Thanks. Oh, and just to clarify, I can edit any documents you send me however I want, right? Or do you want me to post any changes I want to make here before editing them into the document? It's nothing too major; just a list of the Invaders of Justice's members and a general timeline of events in my Golden Age series.I put up a TON of notes about it here back in the day, and it'd be great to have it all in one place.

Yep, feel free too change, edit, add, or create your own. Most of the stuff I have is things I put together and edited from this thread in the first place

Stuff I have Shared so far.

-Some of your stuff for Golden age. (not everything, but should help get you started)

-Superman

-Atlantis

-Amazons

I'm just putting some of my personal favorite ideas here. so feel free to do whatever.

edited 23rd May '17 12:58:09 PM by megaeliz

Good to know. Thanks.

Could we put the various articles in a folder or something? that way we can just share access to the folder, and it will keep everything organized.

I'm up for taking charge of organizing ideas for Spiderman... and what the hell, I'll take green lantern as well. Both have been some of my favorite super heroes.

edited 23rd May '17 1:56:06 PM by Durzan

If we're taking dibs, I'd like X-Men. They're my favorite Superteam of all time, and there's some ideas, both from this thread and my own, that I'd like to incorporate here. (Though that doesn't mean I'd be writing their own series or anything. I tried that a few years back, and it ended at just 7 chapters with an indefinite hiatus due to... issues. I don't want to try that again any time soon.)

edited 23rd May '17 2:07:10 PM by kkhohoho

Of course. I'm not sure how to do that though.

I wrote down a lot of the ideas here from the X-men. Do you want it?

done

edited 23rd May '17 5:01:36 PM by megaeliz

Sure.

What are we going to do with the superhero organizations such as the Avengers, the Justice League, and the Teen Titans, SHIELD, etc?

And does anyone have any thoughts on what I shared?

And does someone mind putting the docs in a folder and sharing it? I haven't quite figured that out yet.

edited 23rd May '17 5:41:32 PM by megaeliz

It's been discussed in various posts in this thread, (with no-one quite agreeing on the fine details,) but general thoughts seem to be to either to keep the teams separate, with the Avengers being funded by the Government and the League working independent of it, or to fuse them into one mega-team known as the Justice Initiative, divied up into several seperate squads. I'm partial to just fusing them together myself, but I can understand if everyone else has different ideas.

Well, there are only three of us right now, so we can say whatever we want.

So what would a merged Justice League/Avengers look like? Something like earlier in the thread, or something else entirely?

I'm contributing as well, but only ideas. As I said I don't have time to write full fanfics right now.

I don't mind merging teams *if it makes sense* I'm not the kind of person who writes "because that would be cool."

In general, I feel most teams would be separate but might exchange some members:

The Justice League might recruit the most powerful heroes on Earth. That would include Avengers like Thor or Defenders like Dr. Strange.

-The Fantastic Four have always been a family team- so no changes except for temporary replacements.

-The Avengers is composed of New York based heroes. That might include Firestorm.

-The Doom Patrol had a few mutants such as Celsius. Those can join the X-Men. (Interesting note, DC's Captain Comet was the first mutant hero.)

-The New Warriors, rather than being a separate team, are an iteration of Teen Titans after their East/West split.

-Since anyone can be a Defender, any Dc Hero could join them.

-SHIELD is an international antiterrorist organization. Checkmate gets formed over protests that they should not operate on US soil.

And so on.

Do you want to be added to the the google docs group? Someone will do that if you want. Just put your account name. Most of us aren't doing fic yet, anyway.

and speaking of the Fantastic 4, should we keep that Superman's first major act as Superman should be rescuing their ship?

And I really like the idea of the Teen Titans being an organization that helps teenage heroes and kids with powers, finding them mentors, friends like themselves, that was founded by knightwing. They also do a lot of community service, and have local chapters.

edited 24th May '17 2:52:16 PM by megaeliz

I'd rather post my ideas here for others to decide if they want to use them, Thank You.

Re: Superman and the FF, the thing is, I feel like Comic-Book Time should apply in order to settle when events happen. To be specific: since its been 60 years since the "modern age of heroes" began (counting from the Barry Allen Flash's debut) yet approx. only a decade has passed (in both DC and Marvel) that means time currently moves on a scale of 1 year for every 6 real ones. Thus the Justice League heroes debuted first, and the Fantastic Four debuted about half a year later. (The League itself only formed about 2 months earlier.)

edited 24th May '17 2:27:18 PM by Sijo