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Scarlet Witch only gained Chaos Magics because the demon Chton happened to be buried where she was born and connected to her hoping to use her to escape one day. That plus a huge case of Writers Have No Sense of Scale regarding what "probabilities" are.

OTOH, we could have Pietro gain Speed Force -nothing is impossible in comics, after all- but that would just water down what makes The Flash unique, we don't *need* more SF users.

Although I like the idea that maybe Pietro was Max Mercury's first protege; this would explain why they share the latter's former name: Quicksilver!

edited 14th Jun '16 3:34:31 PM by Sijo

What makes The Flash unique is his charming personality. Even his Rogues love him.

Which one, Barry or Wally? Because you could say the same about both.

Anyway, I've made my points clearly I believe, you are all free to agree or disagree.

edited 14th Jun '16 3:45:08 PM by Sijo

I think he is referring to Barry, but yeah I agree that comment could go either way.

But I can see where you are coming from on characters with super speed tapping into the speed force. Superman has super speed but he isn't fast enough to tap into said powers.

Maybe we should make a list of characters with super speed and decide who is worthy of said powers. Obviously the Flash Family and Zoom related characters will be among the list as well as other speedsters in the DC universe who tapped into it. And Quicksilver could be the very few Marvel speedster who is able to tap into said powers at some point as a means to trying to surpass his rival Flash.

Hmm, that could be a good plot element to apply in this universe: Pietro and Barry are rivals much in the same way as Vegeta and Goku. Quicksilver is born with said powers and have been mastering his ungodly speed for years, and than came the Flash who is a human that just gained this power and ended up somehow surpassing Quicksilver in speed. Not wanting to accept the fact that someone is faster than him, Pietro runs a lot until he is able to obtain the Speed Force much in the same way as Flash and become the true fastest man alive.

I like that idea! This is the kind of drama we're looking for.

Idea: In the primary Marvel universe, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch started off as villains who later reformed. Maybe in this project, we could introduce them as a pair of Flash villains before they join up with Magneto. Particularly if they're introduced early in the career of the post-Golden Age Flash, at a time when he's far from mastering the true extent of his powers, he could be surprised and perturbed to encounter someone who can match his speed. (Actually, Quicksilver should feel the same way). Heck, Flash beating Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch a few times lends itself very well to an identity impersonation story, where Quicksilver commits a bunch of crimes in a knock-off Flash costume to frame the hero.

Well as I said, I feel Pietro should begin as a Legacy Character to Quicksilver/Max Mercury. But yeah, given his personality, which kept flip-flopping between hero and villain, he could very well be a Flash foe at some point, maybe even trying to boost his speed to match using such means as Velocity-9 or even Terrigen. Maybe THEN he gains access to the Speed Force.

I am down with all of this. (Though that 'Quicksilver impersonates Flash' thing sounds like a SA story. Mind you, considering that this story is supposed to take place in the SA, I guess it makes sense.)

When you think about it though, impersonation *is* something that not only can happen in a superhero universe, but should: it's the price to pay for keeping your identity a secret, the public never knows if its really you every time you appear. Even heroes who show their faces (like Superman) or who have no secret identity at all (eg. Fantastic Four) can be imitated by shapeshifters and such. (I'm reminded of a GURPS SUPERS villain whose Powers allowed him to alter other's appearances; besides working in Hollywood, he hired himself to villains to help them with such 'undermining' plots.)

There were also a fair few impersonations in the Bronze Age.

Let's play the Inter-Company Impersonations Game! (tm!) My contribution: Solomon Grundy turns green (somehow) and everyone blames his rampage on The Hulk.

Loki vs. Luthor presidential race.

I feel like Loki would win that election.

Challenge accepted! Atom sues Ant-Man via patent pending on shrinking technology.(Though, I may to take this one back as somebody already talked about their interaction simply as partners creating the same thing. Than again I like to think that Hank Pym perfected the shrinking technology to be able to shrink inanimate objects without having them explode like Palmer's shrink technology).

Robot Man is mistaken for the Thing due to his orange like appearance and wearing an underwear as part of his costume.

Captain Marvel and Superman notes the similarities in each other's powers and mannerism (oh wait, that already happen).

The Shi'ar Empire are offended that the Legion of Superheroes are impersonating their greatest heroes who existed thousands of years ago.

The Green Lanterns and Nova Corps have a similar rivalry as the local police and state troopers in that one Broken Lizard movie.

edited 15th Jun '16 9:37:26 PM by BigK1337

Since when is Loki a natural-born US citizen?

This iteration was born in the USA.

Loki cannot run for office *as Loki* but that wouldn't stop him from using a fake ID if he wanted to. And yeah, between him and Luthor, while Double-L makes a slick politician, Loki wins over the crowds via charisma, magic, or both.

Good points! Also, Captain Marvel and Captain Marvel argue over who has the rights to the name.

edited 16th Jun '16 10:54:04 AM by Sijo

You know if Loki were still the God of Lies it would be neat to see him go up against Wonder Woman, the Spirit of Truth. Maybe even make it so that for some reason Diana is literally the only person Loki cannot lie to even when she doesn't use the Lasso on him.

Try telling that to Marvel.

I smell a shiiiiip~!

Here are some connections/interactions I thought up, at least for the ones I haven't read.

• TO Morrow rips off Horton's Human Torch technology to create the Red Tornado (and other androids if we are going with the Young Justice version).
• Among the many enemies of Prince Khufu's kingdom are the Sandstormers tribe. Take a wild guess as to who the mutant darwinist, Apocalypse, will hate in present time?
• Was going to say Doomsday creation is accelerated thanks to gamma radiation, or the cells he is clone from is a mixture of Superman and Hulk. But then I realize how off world Doomsday origin is, so I take back this suggestion.
• Among the many demon lords Felix Faust serve to gain knowledge from, Dormammu is his frequent client.
• Swamp Thing and Man-Thing are totes besties . . . wait, I think that's been done before? Have there been a Marvel/DC story where the two things interact?

I quit reading comics years ago. Right after One More Day and New 52. I keep an eye out for signs of improvements but haven't seen any that earned my trust back yet. I still watch the movies and cartoons, though.

Great ideas! Note that Horton's tech was provided (in turn) by Kang The Conqueror.

Oh and there was a Marvel story that strongly hinted that Man-Thing was a Swamp Elemental of some kind. So (more than likely) the two Things are Earth Elementals except that, just as DC's wrongly thought it was human for a while, Marvel's was so traumatized by its change it was left mindless.

edited 16th Jun '16 2:25:51 PM by Sijo

"I was calling myself Captain Marvel first!"

"But my name is actually Captain Marvel!"

Ooh, John Constantine should join the Midnight Sons.

You know what I love about this topic? It serve as a good way to familarize myself with obscure characters and teams I should check out. Add in Etrigan and Phantom Stranger and we got ourselves an awesome supernatural team (other than the JLD which I really need to read).

Speaking of supernatural crossovers: John Constantine and Johnny Blaze are Vitriolic Best Buds who tend to talk shit too each other, but agree on two things: they hate Mephisto and love alcohol.

Well, this thread's died again, so it's time for another idea.

We've had some discussion about bringing in some of the King Features Syndicate characters, since they've had titles from both Marvel and DC. Here's a pitch.

The Phantom's backstory is unaltered. As a young boy, the Kit Walker I is orphaned by a pirate attack near the coast of Bangalla in 1536. He is taken in by the local tribe and learns their ways. Due to the loss of his father, he becomes obsessed with fighting pirates and righting injustice, and intends for his sons and their sons to carry on the fight. This attitude, rather than any innate racial qualities, make him a living legend (and hopefully mitigates the Mighty Whitey inherent in the character).

In the early 1780s, Percy Blakeney finds himself in Bangalla, which at the time is engaged in the early part of a conflict with Britain. Percy learns some skills from the 12th Phantom, but they part ways acrimoniously when the Phantom learns that Percy is trying to help conquer Ballanga for the British Empire. Percy goes on to become the Scarlet Pimpernel, founding the Shadow Legacy.

I'd like the 21st Phantom and Mandrake the Magician to be pre-Golden Age characters, who have adventures in the 1930s. The Phantom first meets Diana Palmer in 1936, and they have their first child around 1940.

Mandrake is an illusionist and minor telepath whose performance mostly consists of mundane stage magic, with a bit of real magic pulled out for the grand finale. His is also Zatanna's great grandfather.

Lothor is a prince of Ballanga; however, this is an essentially empty title, since (as in canon) the country is a British dominion at the time. For this reason, Lothor prefers to spend his days travelling the world with Mandrake and fighting injustice wherever he finds it. In 1940, he is approached by the British government, who ask him to help persuade the native Ballangans to support the war effort. Lothor agrees, in exchange for Ballangan independence once the war is over; meanwhile, he stays with Mandrake, fighting evil across both Africa and America. The agreement is honoured, and in 1945, Lothor is elected chief of chiefs. Not desiring political power, Lothor's first act is to reform the government, implementing a democracy based on that of America. While the hereditary chiefs remain, they now have entirely ceremonial roles. Lothor himself keeps on fighting evil wherever he finds it, alongside Mandrake.

Oh, and in the future (maybe 2040, maybe just 40-50 years in the future to account for Comic-Book Time), the 24th Phantom teams up with Batman II, Spider-Girl, and Static to form a new Justice League/Avengers/whatever.

Flash Gordon can have his adventures at any time, but I'd like him to also be Golden Age vintage. By the 30s, Ming the Merciless controls a significant interstellar empire, which can stand up to Kree, Shi'Ar, and Reach incursions. Flash zooms around the galaxy, having adventures, and eventually sparks a civil war within Ming's territory.

Ming, in a last-ditch effort to retain power, launches an invasion of Earth in 1947. This might even be passed off as a benevolent alien invasion, with Ming presenting himself as a fair rules who is facing rebellion from malcontent upstarts. Flash rallies the heroes of Earth to drive off Ming, defeating him once and for all. In the aftermath, Earth's heroes decide they need to stay in contact in case of other such threats, and found the Justice Society.

edited 20th Jun '16 1:09:29 PM by VampireBuddha

FLASH! AAAAH! HE'S A MIRCALE!

I've never seen Flash Gordon but it's certainly an interesting idea.