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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#451: Dec 5th 2013 at 2:55:01 PM

[up][up] ...This really works, on a few different levels. In the original story, Reed decided to have him and his friends and lover go and use their powers to fight crime because... just 'cuz. Some writers since then have explained this as Reed wanting to protect the others from being looked at as freaks and monsters, and that by making them all Superheroes, that wouldn't be a problem. I have no problems with that, but what if the reason Reed got that idea in the first place was because a strapping young man in red underwear and blue tights flew up and saved the Four's collective @$$'s? I'd think that'd be pretty powerful.

It'd also explain why their costumes tend to be blue.wink

edited 5th Dec '13 2:56:34 PM by kkhohoho

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#452: Dec 5th 2013 at 2:58:20 PM

I really love that idea.

Another thing I like about this combined universe is the idea that Hulk might end up fighting Solomon Grundy at some point.

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#453: Dec 5th 2013 at 9:39:59 PM

Question: How would prisons work? I know we discussed the idea of stopping that revolving door on Arkham, but what about the other places? Like Strykers Island or The Raft or whatever prison is Marvel's flavour of the month.

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#454: Dec 5th 2013 at 9:52:37 PM

my thoughts: any prison/asylum will be as competently run as a real prison/asylum would, with any breakouts due to outside help via superior firepower or unforseen methods (superpowers, magic, etc.).

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#455: Dec 5th 2013 at 11:09:12 PM

[up]Or once in a while the villains manage to keep their noses clean long enough to get parole.

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#456: Dec 5th 2013 at 11:13:00 PM

[up]This definitely should happen.

It could be used for comical relief... (Doc Ock: Dang it... I just got out of prison, only to be dragged right back into the underworld again!)

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#457: Dec 6th 2013 at 6:07:09 AM

[up][up]I could definitely see Joker doing that once, just for kicks. First time he gets locked up in Arkham, then proceeds to act like the sweetest, most well behaved little patient imaginable, and it isn't too long before he gets let out of Arkham scott-free, with a brand spanking new leash on life!grin ...A leash that he then proceeds to metaphorically strangle as many people as possible with before he gets sent straight back to Arkham, this time, with a straitjacket, and one of the guards swallowing the key.

Actually, given how many monstrous acts the Joker tends to pull, it'd make more sense if he's at first in Arkham for a while, like the comics, but eventually, the courts decide that enough is enough, and send him straight to Blackgate. After another escape&murder spree, he gets sent straight to Deathrow. Cue one last escape&murder spree later before getting recaptured once more, and he's finally thrown into the gas-chambers. Yeah, I know, we'd be killing off one of the most celebrated villains of all time, (although we certainly wouldn't be the first...) but there's only so much you can do with him before it all just gets ridiculous. Not even most supervillains have a bodycount that goes anywhere near the Joker's; I can't really see anywhere but Death Row for him. Either that, or finally getting offed in a final confrontation with the bat. Perhaps just before he would be captured one final time to walk the walk...

Actually, I think I have a better idea. Joker, what with all of his experiments with gas and Joker Venom, should be at least partially resistant to the stuff by now, right? So, when they try to gas him, it doesn't really work all that well, giving the Joker another chance to escape. And so, Batman has to be called in to stop the Joker once more, but little does he know that it might well be his final encounter with the mad clown...

edited 6th Dec '13 9:40:07 AM by kkhohoho

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#458: Dec 6th 2013 at 7:25:37 AM

Joker, what with all of his experiments with gas and Joker Venom, should be at least partially resistant to the stuff by now, right?

that's been a part of the Joker's power set for a while now, so it could work.

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#459: Dec 6th 2013 at 9:25:06 AM

Aren't criminals nowadays mostly killed by lethal injection? Still, I could see all the gas making Joker somewhat resistant to that, too.

But yeah, I completely agree that Joker wouldn't get parole more than once. On the other hand, someone like Doctor Octopus would probably be sane enough to behave themselves in prison in order to stand a chance at getting out.

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#460: Dec 6th 2013 at 9:28:10 AM

[up][up][up] I must say that I wouldn't mind killing off the Joker...once we've had our fun with him, anyway.

[up]I kinda view Doc Ock as the guy in the movies and the Spectacular Spiderman. AKA, he is a reluctant criminal and his claws are literally making him do it.

edited 6th Dec '13 9:37:45 AM by Durzan

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#461: Dec 6th 2013 at 3:55:47 PM

[up]That was really just the movies. Otto in Spec Spidey was just a Large Ham, but fully in control.

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#462: Dec 8th 2013 at 12:20:36 PM

I'd like to return to Wonder Woman, and her documentation.

I suspect that Hippolyta would probably adopt a secret identity to avoid having to tell people about Themiscyra. Since this is the 1940s, and she's in a warzone, she can reasonably claim that her papers just got lost if anyone asks for them.

Diana is less lucky. She's apparently going to be appearing in America in the 2010s. If we're going with the idea that Themiscrya reveals itself to the world and gains UN recognition, then she doesn't have a big problem - she can simply get a visa from Themiscyran authorities.

However, if we don't do that right away (or ever), then Diana is going to suddenly appear in Man's World with no birth certificate, passport, or social security number. So how is she going to afford food or a place to stay, not to mention if she needs to register with any social or government bodies?

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#463: Dec 8th 2013 at 12:45:19 PM

[up]I'd imagine that, at first, Hippolyta would want to hide her true origins, at least from the world at large; some of her teammates (like Steve, but perhaps a few others as well,) would know the truth, but she'd urge them to keep it a secret. Afterall, she became Wonder Woman in the first place because Nazi's attacked Paradise Island, and also because Cap came in and helped out. She wouldn't want something like that happening again. Unfortunately, she becomes one of the world's foremost superheroes during the War, and when she finally goes back home, she's secretly followed by inquiring paparazzi. The secret gets out, and Hippolyta has no choice but to officially reveal Paradise Island to the world, lest she risk an unnecessary war. (No Amazons Attack craziness, please.)

By the time Diana decides to follow in her mother's footsteps, Paradise Island has become a recognized world power, and so, Wondy shouldn't have any problems with the basic necessities.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#464: Dec 8th 2013 at 5:40:30 PM

Going back to the Blue Beetle, I'd like to include all 4 versions of the character in this 'verse. Yeah, not 3, 4. The first Blue Beetle operated in the Golden Age, and used a special vitamin to turn himself into a Brick, though it also had a tendency to give him New Powers As The Plot demands. Anyway, I'd like to include him in this verse as the Golden Age Blue Beetle, and for all three later versions to be his successors. In fact, the Golden Age and first Silver Age Beetle's share the same name, (Dan Garett,) so the Silver Age Beetle could be a son or relative of the Golden Age Beetle. Any thoughts?

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#465: Dec 8th 2013 at 5:41:22 PM

Works for me

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#466: Dec 10th 2013 at 11:40:16 AM

Idea:

It has been suggested that part of the reason Wonder Woman doesn't get the same kind of fanboy devotion as Superman and Batman is that she doesn't have an iconic archnemesis. After all, Superman has Lex Luthor, Batman has the Joker, Spider-Man as Green Goblin and Venom, Wondy has... Cheetah?

Now, Marvel Hippolyta apparently had a daughter called Artume, who is a villain. Perhaps Artume can be Diana's sister and also arhnemesis in this universe.

What I'm thinking is, in early 1945, right before the Invaders of Justice's most dangerous mission yet, Hippolyta and Steve have sex; this gets Hippy pregnant. They go on the mission, and Captain America is (apparently) killed. A few months later, Hippy, realising she's pregnant, returns to Themiscrya. Shortly after her return, she cloisters herself, allegedly to reflect on her experiences in Man's World (she does do that, but it's mostly so the other Amazons don't notice her belly getting rather large), and speaking only to Epione. She also requests clay, water, sacred oil, and a few other things.

After a few months, she emerges with two babies, Diana and Artume, which she has made from clay. (In reality, she gave birth to Diana naturally with the help of Epione, who she swore to secrecy. The blood she shed in the birth was then used to bring Artume to life; hence, they both have Hippy's blood and really are sisters). She calls a meeting of the Amazon elders and tells them that men are cruel and brutish, but there is good among them, and they need the influence of women to rein in their destructiveness and bring out the good aspects. To this end, she has created two new Amazons as part of a new generation to one day save those poor, misguided men.

She is mostly honest in what she says here, which is why the Amazons end up sending Diana as their emissary. When Themiscyra ultimately decides to open diplomatic relations with Man's World, the idea is to send Diana to America, which is the most powerful country, and Artume to Greece, since that's where the Amazons originated.

However, growing up, while Hippolyta loves both her daughters, they can tell she favours Diana. This embitters Artume, and when Hippolyta sends her to Greece instead of America, she sees this as proof that her mother doesn't take her seriously. Hence, she goes rogue, intending to conquer Themiscyra and one day institute a global matriarchy by force, with her in charge. But before that, however, she has to deal with Diana...

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#467: Dec 10th 2013 at 3:30:47 PM

Oh man thats good! And wait till she discovers her mother's little secret!

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#468: Dec 10th 2013 at 3:56:35 PM

Nice.[up][up]smile

Also, I would prefer that the 'IJ's most dangerous mission' also be their last, at least during the war. It would be the penultimate story of the Myth Arc I have in mind for my Golden Age series, which I've now got planned out.

Vandal Savage is still a caveman that was turned both immortal and extremely intelligent by a strange meteor. However, this makes him unable to relate to his fellow cavemen. He finds himself desiring a society that can live up his own current standards, though he feels that, as things are now, that can never be. He then takes the matter of creating such a society into his own hands, and he's willing to take any course of action to get there.

Fast-foreward to WWII, after the Superheroes have made their debut. Vandal sees a grand opportunity, and offers his services to Hitler and the Axis. Now, during most of the series, Vandal acts as a sort of grand Chessmaster, often dabbling in Xanatos Chess Speed as he uses both enemies and allies alike to obtain at least some sort of gain in a given situation, though sometimes, the Heroes do one-up him, and there is simply no gain to be had. However, as it turns out, the heroes themselves are crucial to Savage's ultimate master-plan.

In the main Marvel verse, the Cosmic Cube, a device capable of warping reality at will, was created by AIM. In this 'verse, AIM would merely find the cube, decades after it's original use. In fact, Savage would be the original creator of the cube, though to make it, he requires the use of a whole ton of powerful magic, and while he's certainly dabbled in the art, he still can't conjure up the necessary forces&energies for such a construct on his own.

Now, in the main DC universe, there exists the Spear of Destiny, which the Axis used to keep either the Superheroes powered by Magic, or those with an aversion to it, out of Axis territory; this was due to said spear brainwashing the more magically-inclined heroes, and so, they logically kept straight clear of Axis territory after that. In this verse, Savage would be the one to first find the spear, and would keep it's presence a secret from Hitler until the heroes marched in to Berlin. Only then and there would Savage use the Spear; now, the magical heroes would be knee-deep in Axis-territory, unable to speed away into safety before the Spear took effect. However, Savage has a plan for the magical heroes; using the combined might of Green Lantern, Dr.Fate, the Specter, Zatarra, Johhny Thunder, and any other magical heroes that happen to be around, Savage intends to use their power to create a construct capable of completely rewriting reality; a reality where society has advanced to it's full maximum potential, and where everyone is as intelligent and long-lived as Savage is. And they also answer only to him, living their lives as he sees fit; being such an intelligent being among people not nearly as smart as him (cavemen,) for so long gave Savage something of a superiority complex, though he himself would never admit it. Unfortunately, not only does Savage still have the remaining heroes to deal with, but also the Red Skull, who, after the Cube is completed, tries to use it himself. Of course, our heroes do manage to win, and all is right with the world.

Or is it?

Fast forward again to the 1950's, on the day right before the IJ are set to retire due to the Mc Carthy Scare. On that day, at least one hero wakes up to find that the world has completely changed, into one where Savage is at the helm. Somehow, Savage has managed to find the Cube once more, and the heroes, thinking Savage beaten, were none the wiser. He's also completely written out Johhny and his Thunderbolt from his new universe, thus negating the possibility of just saying 'Say You!', and pressing an easy Reset Button. No; whichever heroes still somehow remain unaffected must find the Cosmic Cube, set things right, and beat Savage once and for all.

Until the Modern Age, that is...

And that's the Myth Arc, or at least the essentials of it. The rest of the series would focus on the many different members of the Invaders for Justice, and of their exploits in the war; thinking about them, there's a lot I can do. There's also a few Public Domain characters I might add, (like the first Blue Beetle,) but only the ones I think could be really interesting, and it would still mostly be Marvel&DC characters.

edited 11th Dec '13 9:31:43 AM by kkhohoho

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#469: Dec 10th 2013 at 4:04:33 PM

Vampire Buddha & kkhohoho: Both ideas are f*cking awesome!

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#470: Dec 10th 2013 at 5:14:47 PM

[up][up][up][up]I like this.

[up][up] This is a good idea for the golden age penultimate Crisis Crossover!

I must say that you guys have a real creative streak in you!

edited 10th Dec '13 5:15:51 PM by Durzan

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#471: Dec 10th 2013 at 7:11:21 PM

[up]Oh, it isn't a Crisis Crossover. As I said, it's the Grand Finale for the Golden Age series that I would be writing. If other writers wanted to write other series set during the Golden Age, fine, but otherwise, you can't really call it a Crisis Crossover if there's no other series to cross over with.wink

edited 11th Dec '13 4:33:30 AM by kkhohoho

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#472: Dec 10th 2013 at 10:55:25 PM

Its a grand idea Kho!

I think its save to say we have something of a standard to live up to now.

edited 10th Dec '13 10:55:56 PM by AtomJames

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#473: Dec 11th 2013 at 4:26:34 AM

[up]1.Thanks.smile

2.Indeed.wink

EDIT: I've also divided up the Series into three rough 'Seasons.' Season 1 would be the beginning, focusing mainly on the characters, developing them and their relationships with one another, and focusing on their adventures on the Pacific Front, with The Heavy being The Dragon King, a Mad Scientist in the employ of the Japanese military. In the original DC verse, he was the one who found out about the Spear of Destiny (and the Holy Grail, but I'm just going to use the Spear for simplicity's sake); here, he still did. Because he's not really the Dragon King. In this verse, Savage kills the real Dragon King early on, and takes his place, with the big reveal that he was actually Vandal Savage occurring at the end of the Season, after he apparently 'dies.'

Season 2 sends the team to the European Front. Here, Vandal Savage stars operating As Himself, but he's not evidently the Big Bad just yet, though there are hints that he has a bigger plan in mind. There's a few notable storylines this season that I've already planned out, such as Savage hiring the Ultra Humanite to try and do a brainswap with Johhny Thunder, (the key word being 'try'...) a trip to the Savage Land, where in this verse during the Golden Age, all of those Golden Age Junglegirls and Wildmen would reside, and — the biggest story of the Season — Earth X. In the DCU, Pre Crisis, Earth-X was a universe where the Nazi's had already conquered Europe by 1942, and eventually, they would go on to conquer the whole world. Post Crisis DC wiped the whole multiverse out, but I'm going to assume we have a multiverse here. Taking a page from All Star Sqaudron, (and here's a very brief summary coming up, for those who didn't read it,) the Nazi's of this Earth discover Earth X, and and the two groups of Nazi's hook up, (not literally, though that would be amusing...) forming an alliance. Now, in the original story, Hourman got himself captured before anything else happened. Here, Captain America would be the first captive, thus spurring the other heroes to act to save him, and cut their world away from Earth X. This would also feature the debut of Uncle Sam and the Freedom Fighters, as they're essential to Earth X.

And Season 3 would feature the Grand Finale right at the end of it. During the rest of the season though, Vandal would rise to full prominence, though the Red Skull, who's shown up several times before by this point as well, would also get more attention. It would also, logically, be the ending point for any subplots or Character Development-tracks that had been going on by that point. As for any other stories during the series, part of them, I'd come up with as I'd go along, and the others would come from the characters and their backstories. That last one is important, because there were a ''loooooooooott' of crazy&exotic locations in many Golden Age heroes' backstories, as well as sometimes within their regular series, and there's definitely material for good stories there. But above all else, I want to keep the focus on the characters, the war, and how one affects the other, with the Myth Arc looming over all.

And that's it for now.smile

edited 11th Dec '13 2:56:30 PM by kkhohoho

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#474: Dec 11th 2013 at 1:40:07 PM

[up][tup]

I'm going to suggest that superheroes here come in three waves.

The first was in the 1860s, during the American Civil War. There had been a few masked heroes before, such as the Scarlet Pimpernel in the 1790s and Zorro in the 1820s, but 1861 marks the emergence of personalities such as Jonah Hex, Bat Lash, El Diablo, Ohiyesa Smith, and the Phantom Rider. For various reasons, these men wander the country, righting wrongs wherever they find them, and some wear masks in order to appear as something more than human. (I'd like to allude to the Scarlet Pimpernel being inspired by an early Phantom, but since the Phantom isn't public domain, this won't go beyond subtle shout out).

The second wave is a response to the rise of fascism in the 1930s, primarily consisting of resistance fighters and those who seek to purge their own countries of pro-fascist movements. Here, masks are necessary to protect their identities. This is the era kkhohoho is writing; the most well-known group from this era is the Invaders of Justice, which we know so far consists of Captain America, the first Wonder Woman, and Doctor Fate.

The third wave starts in 2013, when Superman saves the Fantastic Four's experimental spaceship from crashing. In subsequent interviews, Superman explains that he has all this power, and like Captain America, feels a responsibility to use it to help others rather than for personal gain. Other people, who have power, resources, or just a sense of justice, are inspired by this idea and decide to themselves don costumes and act in the name of the greater good.


By the way, what time are we starting the modern stories in? I imagine that the first stories of the modern wave begin when the second Wonder Woman comes to America. At this point, Superman and the Fantastic Four are established for a few years, Spider-Man has just recently come on the scene, and Batman is active but at this point is still an urban legend.
Oh, and speaking of Batman, I had an idea that he might be the latest in a quasi-dynasty of badass normals who fight from the shadows, use darkness as a weapon, and pose as millionaire idiots during the day to deflect suspicion. This lineage begins with the Scarlet Pimpernel, who inspires Zorro, who in turn inspires El Diablo, and so on, via Phantom Lady and the Crimson Avenger, until it eventually reaches Batman in the modern age. Batman himself does inspire others, and so this pseudo-legacy continues into the future.

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#475: Dec 11th 2013 at 2:22:34 PM

[up] Thats a nice detail to put in the universe about batman. :D

Oh, and I second that entire idea.

edited 11th Dec '13 2:23:01 PM by Durzan

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