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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#301: Nov 29th 2013 at 9:53:12 AM

[up]Just use the above backstory for it, MINUS the sentient bacteria. (AKA, Sublime.)

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#302: Nov 29th 2013 at 11:21:13 AM

so guys... should we have Black Cat and Catwoman meet? just have them run into each other trying to steal the exact same cat-themed artifact from a museum or something?

edited 29th Nov '13 11:31:57 AM by crimsonstorm15

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#303: Nov 29th 2013 at 11:24:29 AM

[up]Sure. Any other intricate details can be added when someone actually gets around to writing the story.

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#304: Nov 29th 2013 at 2:37:38 PM

Oh, so Catowman and Black Cat are both going to be in it? Well if we're doing that, then I think the two should be linked somehow. Here's my idea.

Selena Kyle is an orphan who steals to survive. She gets good at it, and starts stealing valuable artifacts for the thrill of it and to get noticed, so that around the time legends about the Bat-man start appearing, some people are also talking about the Cat-woman.

At some point shortly after these rumours begin, Felicia Hardy (who I would like to be acquainted with Peter Parker somehow at the outset of Spider-Man) is raped/mugged/attacked/whatever. Felicia, not wanting to be vulnerable, lures out Catwoman by placing a gold Bastet statue on display in a museum her family sponsors.

Naturally enough, Selena can't resist. When she breaks in, however, the security system locks down the room, leaving her alone with... Felicia. Felicia offers Selena a deal - train her to be strong, and in return she'll delete the video evidence of Selena breaking in. Selena takes a shining to Felicia and takes her on as a secret apprentice.

The two work together, and after a while Felicia is good enough to carry out heists on her own. The two share the identity of Catwoman for a while, allowing one of them to appear in public in front of a large number of witnesses while the other commits a daring robbery. After some time, however, the question arises as to who is the better thief, so they agree to a contest - both try to steal a particularly fancy item, with the loser having to give up the Catwoman identity. As for which item... well, Bruce Wayne is about to open a new art museum, and the centrepiece is a jade tiger statuette which Gan Ying brought as a gift to Trajan. That'll do nicely.

The two independently infiltrate the museum on opening night (where Peter Parker is taking photos). Hijinks ensure, during which the cat ladies both help and hinder each other, and have to deal with the surprising appearance of both both Batman and Spider-Man. In the end, they escape and part amicably... and then Felicia notices she doesn't have the statuette. Clearly, Selena is the better thief, so she goes on being Catwoman; Felicia, meanwhile, decides to keep stealing stuff, but does so as The Black Cat.

Oh, and since we're changing things, any chance they could both have zippers that go all the way up? :P

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#305: Nov 29th 2013 at 2:46:39 PM

[up] My one complaint is Felicia being raped. That was thrown into her backstory in the comics, and it was bullshit. It was so much more interesting when her father was a cat burglar, and she loved her father and wanted to emulate him, and just found stealing shit to be fun in general.

So my suggestion would be that Felicia learns about her father being a cat burglar after he gets thrown in prison, and decides she wants to be like him and asks Selena's help.

Edit: Also, Felicia's zipper should only go all the way up when she's actually on the job. As soon as someone sees her, the zipper should go down.

edited 29th Nov '13 2:47:59 PM by Tiamatty

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#306: Nov 29th 2013 at 3:25:54 PM

[up]Well, I guess that's taken care of. Didn't seem to me like such a big deal though...

edited 29th Nov '13 3:26:42 PM by kkhohoho

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#308: Nov 30th 2013 at 9:53:08 AM

...what about Black Cat's ability to cause bad luck on others?

...or what about the storyline about the Black Cat from the 1990's animated TV Show? You know, the one where her father had a photographic memory and ended up memorising the original Super Soldier formula and as a result of this the Black Cat ends up with Captian America's powers?

edited 30th Nov '13 9:53:40 AM by Durzan

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#309: Nov 30th 2013 at 1:45:12 PM

[up]According to Wikipedia, the bad luck thing was only a temporary change, and she's mostly been a badass normal. I prefer that.

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#310: Nov 30th 2013 at 3:20:39 PM

Established thus far...

  • Clark Kent was inspired by Captain Steve Rogers' exploits during WWII to use his powers responsibly as Superman

  • Steve Rogers had a romantic relationship during WWII with Hippolyte, Queen of Themyscira. Hippolyte was this universes' first Wonder Woman. Unbeknownst to Steve, Hippolyte bore his child, Diana, who became the second Wonder Woman and Themyscira's Ambassador to Man's World.

  • Checkmate was created during WWII by the Allied forces. During the Cold War, Checkmate was repurposed into S.H.I.E.L.D, a metahuman watchdog, which is currently directed by Nick Fury.

  • Similarly, the Strategic Scientific Reserve was absorbed into S.H.I.E.L.D and rechristened Cadmus. Today Cadmus acts as a S.H.I.E.L.D operated thinktank where the brightest minds can use their combined intelligence for the betterment of mankind.

  • Superman is on friendly terms and deeply respects Professor Charles Xavier and his X-Men organisation.

  • Mutant culture is torn into two factions: the relatively normal looking mutants and the obviously deformed and freakish

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#311: Nov 30th 2013 at 3:27:51 PM

Would it be a good idea to make Poison Ivy a mutant?

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#312: Nov 30th 2013 at 3:50:09 PM

[up]Personally, I'd just go for her TAS origin as a extraordinary botanist. Makes her origin less convoluted, and also less dependent on another supervillain,(Floronic Man/Woodrue) while still being true to an already established version of herself. And if you want her to have plant powers, just say she experimented on herself, and gave herself them.

(Also, if we keep discussing everything about every single character, we're gonna' be here all day.tongue)

edited 1st Dec '13 6:47:11 AM by kkhohoho

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#313: Nov 30th 2013 at 4:25:57 PM

So we've established some things about Spider-Man, and Superman, and the X-Men... What about Iron Man? We haven't really gotten into that.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#314: Nov 30th 2013 at 4:29:16 PM

[up]I don't see any really need to change up Iron Man here. The only thing I'd really change is replacing Obadiah Stane with Lex Luthor, since the two are pretty darn similar in more ways then one. (Of course, Lex, unlike Stane, would actually survive, but what the heck.tongue)

Oh, and the whole Crossing bit with Sleeper Agent Tony&Teen Tony should be completely and utterly stricken from the records.tongue

Also, does anyone else agree that Civil War shouldn't have happened? Or at least, not in the way that it did.

Also also, I don't know if we covered it, but we will not have One More Day, right?

edited 1st Dec '13 6:47:36 AM by kkhohoho

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#315: Nov 30th 2013 at 4:35:55 PM

I vote for no Civil War, and especially no OMD. The excuse for OMD in the first place was to reset things to a status quo. We're writing our own Spider-history here, so we don't need to reboot anything.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#317: Dec 1st 2013 at 2:48:34 AM

so heres a question. How do Dr Strange, Dr Fate, Shazam and Captain Marvel operate in the same universe.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#318: Dec 1st 2013 at 4:53:41 AM

[up]Well, first off, Marvel's 'Captain Marvel', in any version of the character, does not operate on magic, so that solves them. As for Shazam, (who I guess should probably be called that instead of Captain Marvel here, to avoid confusion,) yes, he operates on magic, but as far as I understand, never relied on Dr.Fate for his magic. There shouldn't have to be any real changes made to him. The real question for him is if Captain Marvel should have a separate conscious from Billy, ala Pre-Crisis or the 2000's Monster-Society of Evil mini, or if it should just be Billy the whole time. Personally, I'd go with the latter, as it makes for a more interesting dynamic, what with having a child (or adolescent, in his later years,) in a grown 30's-something body.

No, the big question is Dr.Strange&Dr.Fate. Here's what I'm thinking; have Dr.Fate be the Sorcerer Supreme of the Golden Age. Then, when the modern age comes along, Dr.Strange takes his place as the Sorcerer Supreme; he even collects Dr.Fate's old helmet in one of his adventures, though he hardly uses it, due to ol' Nabu steadily taking over whoever's wearing the thing. (That would be a plotline for Dr.Fate in my Golden Age series, by the way.) And this would still allow for any offshoots of Dr.Fate, (like that one guy in the 90's; I think he was actually called just 'Fate',) as well as for any future versions of Dr.Fate. However, none of these would actually be the new Sorcerer Supreme, and so wouldn't have the sheer power of either Dr.Strange, or the original Dr.Fate.

edited 1st Dec '13 5:44:51 AM by kkhohoho

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#319: Dec 1st 2013 at 5:15:10 AM

I was referring to the DC Captain Marvel and his mentor Shazam the wizard. I'm cool with Dr Fate and Dr Strange sharing the post of Sorcerer Supreme, but I was curious about Shazam, who I think is meant to be the authority on Magic in DC. Where would he fit in all this? Would he act separate from the position of Sorcerer Supreme? Would he act as the ancient one? As some kind of spirtual advisor? If this was the case how does Billy and Black Adam?

edited 1st Dec '13 5:39:17 AM by AtomJames

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#320: Dec 1st 2013 at 5:44:33 AM

I think that Shazam (the wizard,) would actually work well as the Ancient One, with Shazam (the Superhero,) and Dr.Strange teaming up occasionally, seeing as they have the same guy as a mentor. I also think that Shazam (the wizard,) may have been the Sorcerer Supreme in ages past, but after a time, gave up the mantle to focus on preparing himself for whom he would consider to be his true successor, Dr.Strange. In the meantime, the first Dr.Fate would take up the mantle in the absence of any other active Sorcerer Supreme.

And as for Black Adam, I don't think there should be any real need to change him up.

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#321: Dec 1st 2013 at 6:10:12 AM

Works for me! In fact, heres an idea; What if the post of Sorcerer Supreme was created to protect the Earth from extra-dimensional threats like Dormammu and Trigon (who could be having a massive battle for control of the netherworld) and positions taken by Black Adam and Captain Marvel were done so to protect the material world from physical threats?

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#323: Dec 1st 2013 at 6:16:59 AM

sweet! thats one landmine we avoided. :)

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#324: Dec 1st 2013 at 6:47:23 AM

@Civil War: Since I think it's one of those ideas that have potential, but get killed by bad execution. I would say, do it, but not how it happened in Marvel.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#325: Dec 1st 2013 at 6:59:24 AM

[up]But do we really need it? Do we really want Speedball and the New Warriors to act like idiots, charge in, and cause Nitro to blow up a school in the first place? I don't think we do. Nor do we need heroes pointlessly fighting each other. Civil War does not need to happen.

...If it were to happen, you'd probably need one or two people completely devoted to writing just that, being as big as it would be. And to write up an exact list of laws to be used at all times, so that the whole thing was actually consistent. Bottomline, it would take a lot of work, both to do Civil War, and to have it make sense. I just don't think we really need to bother with it.

edited 1st Dec '13 6:59:58 AM by kkhohoho


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