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captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#1: Oct 22nd 2013 at 2:14:40 AM

There's a disagreement about what should be done with some of the items in the YMMV page for JesuOtaku, she does video anime reviews among other things. Some of those items are about reactions to things she's said on twitter about other works not discussed in her video reviews.

Should these be allowed because there reactions to things she's saying as an internet personality or is her being an internet personality only applicable to her web videos and other content she puts out.

troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#2: Oct 22nd 2013 at 10:58:17 AM

We do not allow YMMV for creators. If it's about her and not about the work, it doesn't belong.

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#3: Oct 22nd 2013 at 1:13:34 PM

The question here is where to draw that line when the creator is an "internet personality". My impression from the discussion is that, yes, these examples shouldn't have been listed, but there's never been a hard-and-fast rule.

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#4: Oct 22nd 2013 at 1:19:09 PM

"Internet personalities" are not works, unless the individual in question deliberately maintains a stage persona that is different than their real one. It has to be blatant, not just "I'm a ton more outgoing on the Interwebs".

Think of it as similar to pro wrestling. Kayfabe is well known by now, with nobody making any serious pretense that the wrestlers are the same people as the performers who play them.

edited 22nd Oct '13 1:21:08 PM by Fighteer

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Felcis Since: Apr, 2009
#5: Oct 28th 2013 at 5:30:59 PM

I am fine with that if the rule gets applied to every single creator equally. This would mean a lot of clean-up though, as there are also cases of that on the YMMV-pages of other creators.

edited 28th Oct '13 5:31:32 PM by Felcis

troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#6: Oct 28th 2013 at 6:14:59 PM

It's been the rule for a long time. We just don't have a lot of tropers going through all the creator pages and fixing it. Try and clean it up when you see it.

EKonoMai Since: Apr, 2013
#7: Oct 29th 2013 at 12:23:53 PM

^^^ She apparently doesn't drop the act on Twitter.

Should we cover her miscellaneous stuff? She does voice acting and non-critic stuff on the side, and she is still reviewing things on Twitter.

edited 29th Oct '13 12:37:52 PM by EKonoMai

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#8: Oct 30th 2013 at 1:45:26 PM

This was asked on ATT specifically about Jesu Otaku. The overwhelming consensus was, I believe, that since she's a web personality, things she posts on a related Twitter account is basically Word of God.

If she had an unrelated Twitter account under her own name, however, then we wouldn't trope that.

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captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#9: Oct 30th 2013 at 2:17:47 PM

[up] Word of God does not mean anything a creator says. It's about definitive statements about aspects of their work. Which in this case I guess is her webvideos.

edited 30th Oct '13 2:36:49 PM by captainpat

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#10: Oct 31st 2013 at 10:09:58 AM

On the OP question: Given that the page as-is is about the review segment, I don't think that the twitter stuff should be on the page.

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EKonoMai Since: Apr, 2013
#11: Oct 31st 2013 at 1:52:34 PM

There's stuff in there about her acting/voice acting roles, however.

captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#12: Nov 1st 2013 at 12:53:19 PM

[up] Those belong in ymmv pages for the works those roles were a part of.

captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#13: Nov 2nd 2013 at 11:54:28 AM

[up][up] Actually, least on the trope list there's some stuff about her let Let's Plays along with her acting/voice acting roles. So it seems like a creator page.

shoboni Since: Oct, 2010
#14: Nov 3rd 2013 at 5:24:15 PM

I said this in the Ask The Tropers thread to, but I think since the twitter is part of her persona as a review things from it should be kept. I could see cutting if it was something like posts from a personal/private social networking account, but it's not. I would consider her posts bashing/praising works and such and such part of her work as critic. That was the general consensus as well.

As for TGWTG drama, not bringing it up at all(even in a neutral tone) is just plain immature and amounts to sweeping part of the sites history under the rug because we don't want to talk about it because it's unpleasant.

edited 3rd Nov '13 5:33:17 PM by shoboni

captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#15: Nov 3rd 2013 at 6:04:25 PM

[up] She uses her real name on the account and uses it things going on in her real life as well, so I don't think it's part of her persona. If it is then is doesn't seem that much different from who she is in real life.

shoboni Since: Oct, 2010
#16: Nov 3rd 2013 at 7:44:50 PM

She uses it to interact with her fans and give her opinions on media, saying her videos should count but not her critical views given on Twitter is just uselessly arguing semantics.

And just out of curiosity, why are so hell-bent on making this change? I don't really see any purpose for doing it.

edited 3rd Nov '13 7:45:13 PM by shoboni

captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#17: Nov 3rd 2013 at 9:08:05 PM

[up] This is a site about works. Her opinions in her videos matter because they're part of her video, which is a work. I guess question should be do twitter accounts also counts as works?

This is hell-bent? W/e. Lots of creators have twitter accounts so we should probably have some kind of precedent of how those accounts should be dealt with.

edited 3rd Nov '13 9:16:15 PM by captainpat

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#18: Nov 4th 2013 at 7:56:13 AM

I think it's fairly clear that, while Twitter posts may count as Word of God, unless the individual is tweeting as their fictional or professional persona, what they tweet is not tropable as part of their body of work. For this, it doesn't matter what the medium is, it matters whether the things being said are in-character or out-of-character.

If there's some question as to whether a particular individual is intentionally acting out a role via their social media messages, rather than simply chatting with fans, then that example could be brought up for discussion.

Edit: Someone might post on social media as part of their profession or hobby, and that's fair game. For example, a tweet by a professional reviewer about their opinion on a work is obviously fine to trope.

edited 4th Nov '13 8:46:35 AM by Fighteer

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shoboni Since: Oct, 2010
#19: Nov 4th 2013 at 9:06:14 AM

[up]And that's what many of the things on this YMMV page are, things she said about media on Twitter.

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#20: Nov 4th 2013 at 9:15:02 AM

Why are they YMMV, though? If she factually said something, why isn't it listed as an objective trope?

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shoboni Since: Oct, 2010
#21: Nov 4th 2013 at 9:47:39 AM

I'm guessing because they're YMMV tropes, some involving the general reaction to the statements.

edited 4th Nov '13 9:48:13 AM by shoboni

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#22: Nov 4th 2013 at 9:49:56 AM

Things a person has said as part of that person's profession or hobby are tropable regardless of the medium.

[down] Audience Reactions go in the YMMV subpage. Still, I can't help but think that people are taking the stuff a reviewer says a bit too seriously.

edited 4th Nov '13 10:08:45 AM by Fighteer

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captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#23: Nov 4th 2013 at 9:54:55 AM

[up][up] Those aren't ymmv tropes. Most of the items about things she said on twitter are Audience Reactions.

shoboni Since: Oct, 2010
#24: Nov 4th 2013 at 11:53:46 AM

But it's not personal reactions, it's observations about what the general reactions to it have been across the board. There's a difference between "this is what I thought of it" and "this is how I've been seeing people react to it"

Either way, it's still YMMV though.

[up][up]From what I've seen the reactions are because she's a repeat offender that won't stop doing it and fully admits she enjoys causing the fighting(and not in a friendly "I'm just messing ya" way).

edited 4th Nov '13 11:57:07 AM by shoboni

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#25: Nov 4th 2013 at 11:58:41 AM

Frankly, if we have a YMMV subpage talking about how people are pissed off about a person's reviews and opinions, I have to wonder why it's worth the bother. Seems people are either being very successfully trolled or the critic in question is too offensive to take seriously.

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