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#1276: Feb 9th 2021 at 12:37:05 PM

Never mind.

Edited by ccorb on Feb 9th 2021 at 3:37:39 PM

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#1277: Feb 9th 2021 at 12:54:50 PM

[up][up] Thanks. So, cut the examples that aren't legit and see what's left, then make a decision?

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#1278: Feb 10th 2021 at 12:35:17 AM

The Kim Possible radar page has a few issues:

  • Bonnie was worried in one episode that her boyfriend would be distracted by the jewelry girl's 'giant hoops'.
  • What's one of Shego's common nicknames towards Kim? "Cupcake." And it seems that it particularly gets under Kim's skin. Considering it's not hard to notice Kim's (lack of) chest size, it seems clear that Shego's rather blatantly teasing our favorite cheerleader about her A-cups.
  • You can see Kim's panties a lot in the show, it's even in all the openings except for season 4 and she shows them right at the screen.
    • Honestly not sure if this qualifies! The panty shots are allowed since she is a cheerleader. Plus, y'know, they can be seen plain as day and the censors didn't shoot them down.
  • Shego's line from the beginning of "So The Drama":
    "Brain-tap machine ready for prisoner!"
    "There is no prisoner... Go tap yourself!"
  • In "Ron the Man", Jack Hench's male receptionist has a certain... quality... about him.
  • Kim: "So, payback's the sitch!"
  • Kim: "Careful Bonnie, you know what they do to witches in this town."
    • This feels more like Nightmare Fuel, but also the meaning was plain as day.
  • Season 3, Episode 2: Emotion Sickness - quite a few examples once the Moodulator is set to "infatuated".
  • Mad Dogs and Aliens:
    • The guy in the spa Shego went to in Greece. She told Kim that he could do great things with his hands:
    "I just wanna get back to the spa. Midas has the... (meaningful pause) golden touch."
  • In the intro to So the Drama, Ron faces a Sumo Ninja, who speaks with a deep voice. After Kim beats him, Ron gives him a wedgie. At the end of the movie, the Sumo Ninja comes back, looking for vengance... only now, he speaks with a high squeaky voice. That was some wedgie.
    • Groin Attack jokes are not radar worthy. i'm getting real tired of saying this.
  • In the episode "Exchange", when Ron is attacked by the Monkey Ninjas, he complains "Aww Fu-ji, why is it always monkeys? Why can't I ever be attacked by crazed supermodels?"
    • This is not radar worthy.
  • In "Virt-U-Ron", the "Wraithmaster" (Played by Malcom Nevius) faces off with The Tunnel Lord (Rufus), the battle beginning with the two of them snapping their fingers to enlarge their blades. [[Rule of Funny Rufus wins.''
    • '''What? I'm confused as to why this is on the radar page. This feels almost like a Zero-Context Example, so maybe a link is needed to the source of this scene. When I watched it I don't remember any innuendo being shown.]]
  • In "The Big Job", when Shego asks Señor Senior Junior why he broke her out of prison, he starts to explain that his father's birthday is coming up — to which she replies: "I don't do cakes! I don't bake 'em and I don't jump out of 'em!"
  • Clean Slate has Drakken using cue cards to remind himself of the various stages to his plan. When Ron asks why he wasn't told that was acceptable, we get some (possible) Accidental Innuendo with;
    Shego: What, ya need a reminder to lose your pants?
    Kim: That problem has been taken care of. note 
  • One could swear that Shego gives Drakken the bird in the episode "The Mentor Of Our Discontent", obscured by a threatening power glow.
  • Motor Ed tells Shego that her "chassis" needs some work. Shego gets extremely mad, and he quickly tells her that he was talking about her outfit.
  • The Shaft reference, when Drakken finishes telling Kim about her cool grandma.
    Drakken: Your nana is a bad grand-mother-"
    Kim: Shut your mouth!
    Drakken: I'm just talking about Nana!
    • Also feels like a Zero-Context Example that needs an explanation for the people that didn't see the movie. Like me.
  • In "Homecoming Upset", Ron and Bonnie end up being the Homecoming Royalty, and are forced to attend a number of events together. At one, Ron is holding a fire hose for some reason, when Bonnie surprises him from behind with a hug. The hose shoots water all over Kim.
    • I believe this is actually a valid GCPR this time.
  • Borderline example from Stop Team Go (as if that episode wasn't laden with innuendo already). When Shego is staying round Kim's house Kim describes it as being 'no trouble, at least until I have to explain it to my parents.' She doesn't say exactly what she has to explain to her parents about the older woman staying the night in the guest room. The fact it's Shego likely has something to do with it since Kim's parents know her (she was an extremely unexpected guest in Go Team Go, and they'd probably heard plenty about her from Kim long before that.) Does This Remind You of Anything? is in full force.
    • Hmmm, while I understand where this is coming from this feels more like it belongs to a Ho Yay entry as I don't see anything too sexual about this while taken in-context.
  • "Cap'n Drakken":
    • Another line from Shego, from the episode where Drakken gets possessed by a pirate's ghost:
    Drakken: To the escape pods. And save me booty!
    Shego: If I had a doubloon for every time I've done that....
    • It's just a butt joke. Nothing radar about this.
    • Drakken calls Shego a "wench". A "wench" is either an informal term for a girl or an informal term for a prostitute. Considering how Shego gets offended, she was probably thinking of the latter.

(i'm going to stop here for now)

Edited by KingOfStickers on Feb 10th 2021 at 2:41:01 PM

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#1279: Feb 12th 2021 at 7:29:45 PM

A look at Radar.Zootopia:

The page image could fit Demographically Inappropriate Humor, if you think jokes about a nudist colony that seem to apply something grosser than Animals Lack Attributes in-universe, but it's not really illustrative out of context and it just looks like normal bears.

  • Judy has over 200 siblings, which gives away the classic "bunny multiplication" joke as Judy blackmails Nick over his felony tax evasion. Double Entendre or Stealth Pun, maybe Demographically Inappropriate Humor.
    Judy: I mean, I am just a "dumb bunny", but we are good at multiplying.
  • There's a Freeze-Frame Bonus in the scene where Judy confronts Nick about scamming her, where you can see an advertisement on a fence in the background depicting two adult bunnies and a bunch of small bunny children, with the caption, "Could it be time to get yourself... FIXED?" This advertisement is seen again in the newspaper Judy uses to wrap carrots after returning home to Bunnyburrow and working at the family's vegetable stall. I've seen some neutering jokes in kids' shows, but I'm not sure how often the point of neutering is implied beyond a Groin Attack joke. It could be DIH / Parental Bonus, but I'm unsure.
  • The entire Naturalist Club sequence is this, and - while nothing is shown - it's made perfectly clear what we're supposed to be seeing with the poses. It is also strongly implied to adult audience members that Yax is high throughout this entire scene. Being voiced by Tommy Chong certainly doesn't help dissuade this. Probably Demographically Inappropriate Humor, as it's heavily implied the animals may as well be nude and have, well, attributes in universe, but nothing here would actually violate a PG rating. The Tommy Chong casting and drug implications are Parental Bonus as only a certain generation could really recognize his typecasting.
  • Clawhauser's dance moves involve shaking his butt and thrusting himself backwards, while standing next to Chief Bogo and facing away from him, with eyes squeezed shut and grinning. Nothing overly suggestive here. Shaking your butt on a kids' show is fine.
  • It's difficult to see because of his small height, but when Bellwether almost steps on a mouse at City Hall, the mouse flips her off with the rude Italian Fangul hand gesture. If a variant of Flipping the Bird really occurs in the film and it's not too obscure, maybe it could count as valid Radar?
  • During the Dance Party Ending, one of the scenes features Judy bouncing to the music as Nick stands idly nearby. To help get Nick in a festive mood, she hops over and gives him a hip check that motivates him to join in with some arm roll "dancing". Seems innocent enough but if you slow down the bump you realize she actually bumps him with her butt and it doesn't land on his hip but rather right near his groin. It comes across even more risque given the look on Nick's face at the moment of contact. Check it out here. I don't think it counts for the same reason as the Clawhauser entry. It's probably Accidental Innuendo at worst. Also, is it me or is this entry written kind of skeevy?
  • One business name as seen on at least merchandise is "Inn Rut"note . Make of that what you will. Well, "in a rut" also means to be stuck in a boring routine, so it could be a reference to that. It feels too obscure to be Radar and the entry suggests it wasn't even in the movie proper.

The page also has a commented out note about the "three-humped camel" which is probably Accidental Innuendo.

Edited by mightymewtron on Feb 12th 2021 at 10:30:05 AM

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#1280: Feb 15th 2021 at 8:10:28 PM

Found these on Manga.Kingdom Hearts:

  • Getting Crap Past the Radar:
    • Sora gets hit on by a prostitute, despite his young age, which makes him really nervous.
    • Sora going through Ariel's collection, which his friends called him out on!

Thoughts? Mostly on the first one; the second is a ZCE.

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#1281: Feb 15th 2021 at 8:49:43 PM

Given the context of The Little Mermaid, the "collection" is presumably just a bunch of miscellaneous human things. If it's phrased in a way that sounds dirty, it's probably Accidental Innuendo, or maybe Does This Remind You of Anything? if it's deliberate.

As for the first one...hmm, might be a Values Dissonance issue?

Edited by mightymewtron on Feb 15th 2021 at 11:50:17 AM

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#1282: Feb 16th 2021 at 5:47:51 AM

Sounds like pretty standard manga stuff. And I don't believe manga has any radar systems.

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#1283: Feb 20th 2021 at 3:11:08 PM

From Radar.SpongeBob SquarePants Battle For Bikini Bottom:

  • This quote said by Spongebob (in a deep, heroic voice) to Squidward when he agrees to find the King Jellyfish Jelly to tend Squidward's sting wounds. Seems more like an Accidental Innuendo than anything intentional.
    Spongebob: Don't worry Squidward, I'll bring back that King Jellyfish Jelly for you to rub all over yourself!
  • Watching TV at Shady Shoals Retirement Home gives a glimpse into Mermaid Man's programming of choice: Retirement Home Girls Gone Wild. Likely a Parental Bonus.
  • The police station's description of the Ham-mer robot states that it "goes well with... a nice Chianti", which is a type of wine produced in Tuscany. Not too bad by itself, but the ESRB rating does leave out the "Alcohol Reference" label for some reason. Seems like actual GCPTR, as it points out that the radar didn't pick up something.
  • This quote alone after Sandy complemented Spongebob & Squidward thanking her for the rescue that they made her blush. Toilet Humor.
    Spongebob: I think I have fudge in my pants.
  • A particularly egregious one happens in the old PC point-and-click game. Double Entendre.
    Spongebob: It's just too big, it's too much!
    Sandy: Don't worry, Spongebob. Size doesn't matter. [hysterical laughing]
    • And later... Also double entendre.
      Sandy: Great job, little square dude! You see, it's not the size of the fish that counts. [laughs] It's the mooootion in the oooooocean. [hysterical laughing]
    • Also, one of the trivia questions asks what color Sandy's bikini is. One option is "translucent." Probably Demographically Inappropriate Humor.

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#1284: Feb 20th 2021 at 4:34:20 PM

Hmm. The ESRB did have an 'Alcohol References' content not even in 2003. While I suspect their internal documents required more than a passing mention of alcohol for the rating to be added, they're unfortunately unwilling to share those docs, so we have to go by what's on the site. Yeah, the Chianti example is valid. And you're correct about the various others.


On a related note, that line is a reference to Silence of the Lambs, which isn't suitable for children; there's also a reference to Girls Gone Wild. We should note somewhere that merely referencing something that isn't child-friendly is not GCPTR. Maybe a "What This Trope is Not" section somewhere?

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#1285: Feb 20th 2021 at 7:03:01 PM

[up]The ESRB doesn't mention anything about artistic nudity for an E-rated game like Animal Crossing: New Horizons (to be fair, the artistic nudity is in an update). Therefore, the alcohol reference is a valid example of GCPTR. Note that this is not the same as sports venues named after breweries found in E-rated sports games (such as Busch Stadium, Coors Field, and Miller Park (since renamed American Family Field for sponsorship reasons) in the E-rated MLB The Show).

For the line, it belongs in Parental Bonus.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Feb 20th 2021 at 10:05:27 AM

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#1286: Feb 25th 2021 at 2:33:42 AM

I am no expert for how tvtropes handles ratings, but ERSB is not the only existing rating system (CERO,PEGI,USK), so does it make sense to consider only their conditions?

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#1287: Feb 25th 2021 at 3:17:10 AM

I think it makes sense to use the ratings system of the polity (country) where the work was made because presumably the creators used that as a yardstick.

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#1288: Feb 25th 2021 at 9:42:12 AM

We're currently going strictly by ratings and censorship bodies. The trope page has separate sections for the ESRB, PEGI, CERO, and ACB, which have partial but not complete overlap.

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#1289: Feb 25th 2021 at 7:04:56 PM

[up][up]Yet, many entries for Nintendo games use ESRB ratings, not CERO ratings, despite Nintendo games being made with CERO ratings being the highest priority.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Feb 25th 2021 at 10:05:07 AM

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#1290: Feb 26th 2021 at 8:19:30 AM

Are we gonna eventually organize this page into subpages with folders, because listing all broadcasting/publishing/regulating companies on the page is very exhaustive? I mean, like this for Vidya Games:

Rating systems

    Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) 
    Pan European Game Information (PEGI) 
    Computer Entertainment Rating Organization (CERO) 
    App Store 
    Google Play Store 

Individual companies

    Nintendo 

Miscellaneous

    Moderation on online video games 
    Video game hosting sites 
(like itch.io)
    Government policies 

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#1291: Feb 26th 2021 at 1:00:48 PM

[up][up]It's probably what we should do, but I can't blame the tropers who added the entries in the first place for not knowing enough about CERO to compare content to their standards instead.

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#1292: Feb 26th 2021 at 6:26:14 PM

For App Store, it should be iOS/iPadOS App Store to differentiate from Mac App Store and other app stores.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Feb 26th 2021 at 9:26:27 AM

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#1293: Feb 27th 2021 at 12:37:33 AM

Re: ESRB

It's worth noting that North America is one of the most important video game markets, so developers probably care about whatever the ESRB says to some extent. Translators definitely have to care about it.

Edited by Karxrida on Feb 27th 2021 at 12:38:05 PM

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#1294: Feb 27th 2021 at 6:53:40 AM

Princess: Seems reasonable.

One caveat is that the Australian Classification Board covers games, movies, and TV shows (and also books, but they rarely bother with those). As such, does it fall under Video Games, TV, of Film? For now, I think the best thing would be to sort the folders by ratings agencies, companies, and other; divisions by medium can then be done inside folders.

As for the Radar/ namespace, when the dust settles and we have a collection of verifiable examples, I think it would be best to have Radar/ pages for the ratings agencies. For example, Radar.Motion Picture Association Of America would cover both the Hays Code and CARA. Likewise, Radar.Australian Classification Board would cover instances where games, movies, and TV shows got past the ACB rules, and that page can be sorted by medium.

The American TV Parental Guidelines are something of an edge case, because while the scheme is common, they are applied at the discretion of the networks. In this case, it would make the most sense to make a Radar/ page for a given network, which would then have a section for incorrect age ratings, and another section for things getting past internal policies

Edited by VampireBuddha on Feb 27th 2021 at 2:59:44 PM

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#1295: Feb 27th 2021 at 7:00:23 PM

For Canada, the province is responsible for a film's ratings, which would complicate things.

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#1296: Feb 28th 2021 at 7:17:47 AM

True, and Quebec is outside of the MPAC. It looks like Canadian TV ratings are standard across the country except for Quebec, so maybe subpages should be split like this:

EDIT: Each of these subpages, obviously, would only be made if that section of the main GCPTR gets particularly long.

Edited by VampireBuddha on Feb 28th 2021 at 3:19:12 PM

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#1297: Feb 28th 2021 at 1:07:42 PM

Recently-launched Demographically Inappropriate Humor has very few on-page examples despite having over 100 wicks, an imbalance so bad I added it to Pages Needing an Entry Pimp. Please try to crosswick when you move examples to Demographically Inappropriate Humor.

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#1298: Feb 28th 2021 at 1:36:17 PM

[up] Personally I always thought it needed way more time to collect on-page examples before launching.

Edited by mightymewtron on Feb 28th 2021 at 4:36:25 AM

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#1299: Mar 4th 2021 at 7:37:48 AM

I'd like to take a look at Playingwith.Getting Crap Past the Radar. That page seems to have been written with the old misuse in mind, and it is just not very good. Under the current definition, it's pretty damn hard to play with the trope, since it's something that happens between writers and censors rather than being part of the narrative per se. Still, I think at least some Playing With tropes can apply/. Initial ideas:

Basic trope: The writer sneaks in come content they're not supposed to by disgusing it in such a way that the editor doesn't notice.

Averted: Nobody tries to game the system, and the ratings body gives it a rating commensurate with the content.

Subverted: Surprisingly Lenient Censor.

Inverted: Avoid the Dreaded G Rating.

Exaggerated: Refuge in Audacity.

Downplayed: Biting-the-Hand Humour.

Discussed: "The things they're getting away with in kids' shows nowadays!"

Edited by VampireBuddha on Mar 4th 2021 at 3:37:59 PM

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#1300: Mar 6th 2021 at 9:36:33 PM

I'm going to cut this from Radar.Pokemon, but I want to share it here. Just...wow.

  • The remakes are named 'Brilliant Diamond' and 'Shining Pearl'. The unfortunate abbreviation for these games is BDSP, which sounds suspiciously close to a much more mature acronym.

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