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Feb 24th 2019 at 9:50:38 AM

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Edited by jamaicanst01 on Mar 10th 2019 at 3:17:25 AM

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Feb 28th 2019 at 6:19:39 AM

From The Sims 3 (which is a T rated title):

  • There's still "woohoo" and "juice bars" like in Sims 2, and as of University Life, a juice keg on which one can do keg stands.
  • World Adventures gives us "nectar" (wine, really). And your sims can even make it themselves!
  • In High End Loft Stuff, there's a giant heart-shaped bed called the "Vibromatic LN3000". If you have your Sims relax on it, there's an option to make it vibrate, and there's an increased chance of getting pregnant when you have sex in it.
  • The many options for Date Rape. Here's a few of them:
    • Vampires in Supernatural can force other sims to think about them or be attracted to them against their will.
    • There's the love potions and love elixirs in Supernatural and above, as well as the related witch's spell. The voodoo doll also has a similar ability, though that option is particularly vulnerable to a backfire.
    • A Social Networking master in University Life can use the Relationship Transmogrifier app to force another sim into a romantic relationship with them or another sim, even counter to existing orientation or relationships.
  • Also in the Sick and Wrong rape-related category, the introduction of aliens in Seasons also reintroduces implied Medical Rape and Impregnate to the series.
  • Some herbs you can burn in the fireplace and put in food in University Life. While there are some real herbs represented (chamomile, ginseng, licorice, peppermint for example), there are also some very thinly veiled drug expies. There's Buzzberry (amphetamine expy), Bumbleberry (cannabis expy), Sweet Grass (another cannabis expy), and Wonderpetal (speedball expy).

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Geronimo!
Feb 28th 2019 at 6:24:51 AM

None of those seems inappropriate for a T rating. Chop chop.

Edited by Fighteer on Feb 28th 2019 at 9:24:57 AM

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Feb 28th 2019 at 7:50:37 AM

The laconic page should be rewritten. It's actually had a number of rewrites, and some of the past definitions looked more appropriate. History

Primis from Nsburg
Feb 28th 2019 at 8:07:44 AM

[up] The previous wording: "A work that intentionally sneaks in inappropriate content." sounds far more appropriate.

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Feb 28th 2019 at 8:39:52 AM

Radar.Daria has these examples, which I don't think are inappropriate for the show.

  • "Pierce Me" has the following gem when Daria is looking at the list of options at a piercing parlor.
    Daria: "I don't think that's how you spell uvula."
    Axel: "It's not uvula."
  • Kevin delivers an excellent - if unintentional - insult during a break up with Brittany:
    Kevin: "Babe, the only wide receivers I've got are my crutches here, and they only catch the sweat of my defeat."
  • This beautiful blink-and-you-miss-it line from Jake to Kevin:
    Jake: "We didn't call it self-love; we called it self-abuse."
  • In Is It Fall Yet, there are a few glimpses of Allison's artwork and most of it is very sexualized, with a few pictures being thinly-veiled representations of genitals and sexual acts.
  • One of Ms. Li's credit alter egos is clearly a prostitute (one who has been arrested and put in a police line-up).
  • And another credit gag features the girls from Fashion Club as playboy bunnies.
  • From "The Old and the Beautiful":
    Kevin "Darwin is, the monkey guy right? I like monkeys."
    Mr DeMartino "A statement one day, no doubt, also made by your mother."
  • Daria gives Upchuck a very subtle one in "Lucky Strike" when he eavesdrops on the teachers discussing their salaries:
    Upchuck (Peering in the keyhole to Ms. Li's office: Oooooh, I like what I'm seeing.
    Jane: Ms. Li changing her support hose again?
  • There are also numerous allusions to drug use, and not always in a Drugs Are Bad way. For starters, one can probably assume Trent is blazed every single time he's on screen.
  • In "Lucky Strike", a very..... creepy English teacher is hired to substitute and ends up stroking Tiffany's hair while acting out a book he wrote about a grown man and a younger girl. Daria even out-right calls him a pedophile.
  • In "Fire!" Daria references necrophilia.
  • Helen's campfire story very nearly goes right into a sex scene, until Jake manages to interrupt.

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Geronimo!
Feb 28th 2019 at 8:43:26 AM

The only one there that possibly fits is this:

  • In Is It Fall Yet, there are a few glimpses of Allison's artwork and most of it is very sexualized, with a few pictures being thinly-veiled representations of genitals and sexual acts.

The question is whether this is a deliberate attempt to evade censorship, which would require Word of God. Also, what's the rating of the work?

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Geronimo!
Feb 28th 2019 at 8:49:04 AM

Unless there's evidence that the scenes ought to violate the work's censorship standards but for whatever reason were not censored, then it wouldn't count.

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Geronimo!
Feb 28th 2019 at 9:38:01 AM

Double Post: I took another pass at the Getting Crap Past the Radar definition, as it looked like it could have been contributing to the problem.

Edited by Fighteer on Feb 28th 2019 at 2:59:40 PM

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Feb 28th 2019 at 10:02:39 AM

[up] Since you've mentioned Parental Bonus, we should move a lot of the misused examples there.

A Parental Bonus subpage for Calvin and Hobbes might be nice, since there are a lot of examples on its Radar page. I'm pretty certain that none of them are Getting Crap Past the Radar except the last.

  • In one strip, Calvin's mom is watching TV and Calvin is complaining about all the kissing the characters are doing. His mom announces "bed time" and carries him up to his room. The last panel has a bewildered Calvin remarking, "There's a connection here, I just know it."
  • One strip had Calvin ask his mother why it was "worth four dollars a minute to talk on the telephone to goofy ladies who wear their underwear on TV commercials".
    • He also asked his dad why "he lives in this house with Mom instead of an apartment with several scantily-clad female roommates." Quite explicably, this leads to him getting all of his television privileges revoked.
    • Then there's the one program we get to overhear him watching, which doesn't so much get past the radar as utterly destroy it (note that the following is punctuated by kissing noises):
      "Oh Mary, you look ravishing in that skimpy negligee!
      Mmm…darling, don't you wish we were married?"
      "But we are! …Or did you mean to each other?"
      "I've got to have you! Let's murder our spouses!"
      "Murder?!—You sick animal! I love it when you talk that way! Come here!"
      Calvin, smiling widely: Sometimes I think I learn more when I stay home from school.
  • A number of early strips see Calvin trying to get into or rent R-rated movies with pretty suggestive titles, like "Venusian Vampire Vixens," "Attack of the Co-Ed Cannibals," or "Cannibal Stewardess Vixens Unchained."
  • In one strip, Calvin's gum-chewing leads to the memorable line from Hobbes: "An orifice is an amusing thing, all right."
  • At the end of one strip, Calvin's dad receives a call from his wife at work to which he answers: "Look, Honey, could we talk about that operation some other time?" What's the context? Well, Calvin had just been asking his mom for a baby brother, but only so he could have someone smaller to bully.
  • After a week-long camping trip suffused by rain from beginning to end, only for the sun to appear immediately after everything was packed up, the final panel combined a Noodle Incident and an implied Cluster F-Bomb. Of course, given the father's reaction when he drops something heavy on his foot, it may simply have been a cluster Angrish bomb.
    Calvin: (eagerly) Do you know what any of Dad's words meant?
    Hobbes: No, but I wrote some of them down so we can look 'em up when we get home.
  • There's a strip where Hobbes mentions that he reads National Geographic for the hot tigress babes on the cover. Well played, Mr. Watterson. (Of course, it would only be porn if the tigresses were shaved.)
  • For one show and tell, Calvin told his class that his mother dons "a patriotic leotard, a cape, and knee-high, high-heeled boots, and she fights crime as a super-heroine". In the last panel, as his mom is handing his dad the note from the teacher, he remarks, "Wow. Show me that outfit sometime."
  • During Uncle Max's visit, Max was asked whether he had kids and he says no, he wasn't even married. Calvin asked what difference that made, prompting Max to mention that Calvin must watch a lot of TV, while Calvin's parents looked shocked.
  • This strip. Not many non-German kids are expected to be familiar with the phrase "Jawohl, mein Führer!"
  • An early strip showed Calvin asking Hobbes the meaning of a long word in a book he was reading. Hobbes saw it, immediately became so shocked that his fur went all bristly, and then recovered quickly and said "I don't know." If you think about it, there's only one 12-letter word in the English language that could get a person (or tiger) to react that way.
  • One wintertime strip had Susie building a snowman with long hair and bumps on the chest; when questioned by Calvin, she explains that it's actually a snowwoman. The last panel of the strip has Calvin building a snowman, visible only from the back, with his exasperated mother declaring " I don't care. We're not having an anatomically correct snowman in the front yard." Given the snowman's extremely confident stance it was quite impressive.
  • When his mom is sick, Calvin asked if that's because she's going to have a baby. His dad replied not that he knew of...
  • After they go to the zoo, Calvin delightedly talks about something the monkeys are doing, asking why he isn't allowed to do that in public.
  • When Calvin becomes terrified after accidentally breaking his father's binoculars, he wonders if he should run away, or commit hara-kiri, with Hobbes quipping that perhaps he should do both, a shockingly dark joke that would never have been allowed to be published in newspapers had it not been for the usage of a more obscure euphemism for suicide.

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Geronimo!
Feb 28th 2019 at 11:09:00 AM

If you take out the natter, then yeah, that last one might be worth keeping.

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Feb 28th 2019 at 3:43:34 PM

I've said it before, but reading these really drives in that a lot of the problems with this "trope" stem from tropers under the (rather juvenile) assumption that it's inherently good and clever.

Mar 1st 2019 at 9:30:22 AM

WesternAnimation.Bon Voyage Charlie Brown has two examples. These are something else, right?

  • Patty is talking about Pierre as they are saying goodbye: "Too bad I can't give the kid a tumble."
  • Also when "Rum and Coca-Cola" by The Andrews Sisters is played on the jukebox. Not just alcohol, but the song also has a vague reference to prostitution ("Both mother and daughter working for the Yankee dollar").

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Mar 3rd 2019 at 11:18:44 AM

I'll ask about the rest of the examples from Radar.Arthur:

  • The English translation of the "Binky Song" makes numerous references to drunkenness and "making out with that wild boy", among other things that wouldn't stand a chance on a show like Arthur. None of the lyrics aside from the "Ui, ui, ui" chorus are uttered in the show, but the full song was included as part of the series' first soundtrack CD.
  • Pal steals D.W.'s hot dog in "Sick as a Dog", and D.W. responds with cries of "The dog's got my weiner!"
  • In "Arthur Goes to Camp", someone (presumably Prunella) says, "Oh my God!" in anticipation of camp. This specific part is cut from most airings, however.
  • Also, the lyrics to Crazy Bus: "Absolutely screwy-louie, high as a plane or balloonie." Considering the context, there is NO WAY it's not meant that way.
  • In the S9 episode "The Law of the Jungle Gym", Rattles says one of the clouds looks like Mrs. Barnes in combat boots which could be a reference to the insult of a woman who wears army boots is a prostitute or a thief who steals from dead soldiers. Binky responds (understandably angrily) with a threat to give Rattles a wedgie.
  • In "The Big Blow-Up" Brain and Francine are having an argument. This scene happens when they're playing Go Fish.
    Francine: Do you have any Sixes?
    The Brain: Go fish.
    Francine: Go fish yourself!
  • "All Thumbs", in which Arthur walks in on Buster sucking his thumb, treats the resulting embarrassment between the two as if Buster was caught with his pants down.
  • In the Season 20 episode 'The Master Builders', Buster has a dream where he is only the size of a vegetable. Fritz tells him this, and we get this dialogue:
    Buster: I'm only three inches?
    Fritz: What's wrong with three inches? That's a very good height indeed!

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Mar 3rd 2019 at 1:58:28 PM

There's a Radar page for Futurama. The header is:

Much like The Simpsons, this show (despite being a cartoon for older audiences) has dodged several censorial radar bullets back when it was on FOX (not so much the made-for-DVD films and the Comedy Central episodes, as the made-for-DVD films run on self-censorship (meaning the show writers and creators get to choose what's acceptable and what isn't, and Comedy Central is more liberal in what's allowed on their shows than FOX is).

Considering it's for older audiences, how do we determine which examples actually count as this trope?

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Geronimo!
Mar 3rd 2019 at 3:14:29 PM

The theory is that, since it ran on FOX, it had censorship standards. What those are, exactly, may be difficult to pin down.

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Mar 3rd 2019 at 3:14:39 PM

[up][up]There is nothing on that page that's above and beyond what's normally allowed on Fox, which was the raunchiest / least prone to censorship of the four major networks at the time. It's mostly just innuendo. Motion to cut.

Edited by HighCrate on Mar 4th 2019 at 10:28:39 AM

Mar 4th 2019 at 11:23:28 AM

If an example mentions that something was edited in later showings, or the writers specifically mention that they were surprised it got past the radar, is it worth keeping as an example?

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Geronimo!
Mar 4th 2019 at 11:28:30 AM

Word of God that a particular bit of content was not expected to pass censorship is one of the key criteria of the trope and would allow an example to count.

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