Getting Crap Past the Radar cleanup

Agreed. Toss the lot.

WesternAnimation.Finding Nemo:

• "Aww, you guys made me ink."
• Dory talking in her sleep: "Yes, I'm a natural blue..."
• The fish have to make the fish tank dirty, so they can escape.
  Gill: Everyone has to make sure this tank gets as filthy as possible. Think dirty thoughts."
• "Don't you guys realize we are swimming in our own—!" "Shhh! Here he comes."
• Nemo and his classmates call the boat a "butt," which leads to lines like "Whoa, that's a pretty big butt!" and "I am gonna go to touch the butt!"
• Deb introduces herself as "your auntie Deb", then introduces her "sister", Flo, making her Aunt Flo (a colloquial term referring to the menstrual cycle).
• While watching the closing credits roll upward, Dory gasps in horror at the word "flocking."
• A literal case. Look closely at the rocks with the seagulls and the pelicans. There's plenty of white splatters on them, and it's probably not paint... and just in case anyone thought it was, another one lands right in front of Marlin and Dory as they're trying to escape Nigel.
• When Bruce smells Dory's blood, it causes his pupils to dilate.

I think only the fourth, sixth, and seventh examples count. Accurate?

Also, from WesternAnimation.Finding Dory:

• Getting Crap Past the Radar:
  • Dory starts to give Mr. Ray's class The Talk before quickly being cut off.
  • Hank at one point exclaims, "Holy carp!" and separately, "Suck it, bipeds!"

Are these misuse as well?

Edited by jamaicanst01 on Feb 3rd 2019 at 3:13:43 AM

None of them count. Sheesh, the misuse is so extreme with this trope that I think we may need to completely rethink it.

Endorse.

The page image is not an example either.

Thirded. A Word of God requirement might work. There are definitely cases where WOG has said, "Yeah, I put that in there just so S&P would have something to cut out, but somehow they missed it."

Or is there already a Trivia item for that?

Edited by HighCrate on Feb 3rd 2019 at 6:40:51 AM

The only correct definition of Getting Crap Past the Radar is: The creator(s) put content into a work that they believed should have been censored according to the standards applied to that work at that time, and the content was not censored. If that means we need to require citations, I'm... well, I'm not really in favor of that, since we aren't supposed to be applying Wikipedia-like rules, but if it's the only way to prevent misuse...

If we want to apply some kind of standard, try the Airplane! test. With a PG rating (PG-13 did not exist at the time), it and its sequel managed to include gags about (and this is just off the top of my head):

• Bestiality (doubling as a Shout-Out to The Godfather: instead of waking up next to a horse's head, the wife wakes up next to an actual horse, whom she had been having sex with)
• Fellatio (with an inflatable autopilot)
• Underage sex/miscegenation ("I take it black. Like my men.")
• Pedophilia ("Joey, have you ever seen a grown man naked?")
• Masturbation (a magazine rack with the caption "Whacking material")
• Drug abuse (taking amphetamines, snorting cocaine, sniffing glue)
• Partial nudity
• Suicide (several people kill themselves after listening to boring exposition)
• Abortion (the PA argument in the airport lobby)

The writers freely admit to throwing as much raunchy material as they could into the film in an effort to get as much of it as possible past the ratings boards.

Edited by Fighteer on Feb 4th 2019 at 6:52:09 AM

Ah, a clean up for Getting Crap Past the Radar. That reminds me. I had written an example for the Pokémon Anime regarding Serena's Sacred First Kiss to Ash, which was apparently removed because some considered it to not be an example:

• The last episode "Till We Compete Again!" features Serena giving the Sacred First Kiss on Ash before she leaves. It's one of the few cases where Word of God confirms they were trying to get past the TV censors. As they cannot show the kiss on-screen, they used the Kissing Discretion Shot by focusing on Serena's feet "float[ing] upwards" to Ash, creating an ambiguity of whether or not they did kiss, but the production screenplay makes it clear that "based on the fact that Clemont and Bonnie were blushing behind Ash◊, it's pretty obvious what Serena did there."

This was apparently the reason given for its removal (note: The last sentence was referring to another example):

I heavily dispute that fact on the basis that Sacred First Kiss in Japan is serious business as described on the trope's page:

We know from the XY interview that Serena was meant to be kissing Ash, but they couldn't show the kiss because of TV censors. That's why they went with the feet popping. The criteria for GCPR is as follows:

• There must be a Radar: It must be in a medium and format where Media Watchdogs exist and actively censor content. Self-censorship does not count.
• There must be Crap: It must be something that a reasonable person would expect to be censored by said Media Watchdogs. Parental Bonus and Homoerotic Subtext do not count.
• The Crap must get past the Radar: The inclusion of the content must be intentional, and the creators of the work must be aware that it ought to be censored. There should be a deliberate effort to slip it past the Media Watchdogs. Accidental Innuendo does not count. If the works actually lampshade the material in media itself then it also does not count.

Considering that kissing is Serious Business in Japan, almost the same as sex in the West, it makes sense for the Media Watchdogs in Japan to censor kissing between Ash and Serena, especially considering they are not really teenagers unlike many examples on Sacred First Kiss page. The interview with Yajima and the producers of XY confirm such censors exists and they were really pushing the series to the edge:

It's one of the few times that Getting Crap Past the Radar is outright confirmed by the creators' part and not something that the viewers have to judge for themselves. I tried to initiate a discussion on the discussion page, but poor formatting and lack of activity have made it dead. I so decided to post it here instead.

Edited by Shadao on Feb 3rd 2019 at 8:59:56 AM

Meanwhile, Western audiences wonder what all the fuss is about. So that is GCPTR but only in the Japanese market, and everything you said needs to be explained, albeit succinctly.

Edited by Fighteer on Feb 4th 2019 at 6:50:56 AM

That kind of sounds like self-censorship to me, if they deliberately made it ambiguous because they couldn't show the real thing. It sounds more like trying to get accepted by the radar than to pull a fast one and get past it with contraband. Or is just implying it also something the radar wouldn't allow there?

Edited by AnotherDuck on Feb 5th 2019 at 1:25:51 PM

Hmm, that's a good point. If they imply a kiss without showing it, are they not following censorship rules rather than trying to sneak something past them? Implication is not the same thing as putting it right in the audience's faces.

I don't think it was self-censorship considering that they had every intention to include a kissing scene when they don't really need to. Remember, Pokémon is considered to be a Kodomomuke show, aimed at an audience younger than the typical Shōnen and Shoujo demographic. Then consider the fact that Ash and presumably Serena are still officially 10 years old (especially with the sequel Sun & Moon making sure that Ash looks like a 10-year old). Sacred First Kiss is usually reserved for teens reaching or going to reach adulthood, and is considered to be "an extraordinarily intimate act in Japan, almost comparable in intimacy to sex in the West."

Here's the full interview segment regarding the kiss scene, translated by Dephender of Serebii:

Why Tetsuo Yajima did state it was supposed be ambiguous, do note that he laughed after the unnamed producer stated that they were meant to be kissing in that scene. And then later on, he stated that they were kissing. The intent was never ambiguous. At the very end, the producer admitted that they were pushing the edge of what they could do because it was a children's show.

This interview is actually the reason why I consider this scene to be a GCPTR because it's not often you get the makers of this series to mention TV censor limits and their attempts to push their luck. Certainly more feasible than inferring a possible innuendo.

Amusingly, the Youtube channel for the Pokémon Anime recently had two hosts talked about the kiss scene:

And apparently, according to translations by AshSerena, there seems to be an avoidance of using the K-word when discussing about the scene, though they believe she did it. And then they talked about the Latias Airline H71 that Serena boarded. And their speculation led to the same conclusion as other fans have (Namely, Latias is known for kissing Ash on the cheek, and H71 is the ORAS number for Mawile; Mawile's Japanese name is corruption of the word Mouth and combine it with Latias, you get the idea), and then one of them says something along the lines of "That's impossible."

Considering that Yajima had written this episode, and that he did intended for Ash and Serena to kiss, I don't think that specific detail of the airline was a coincidence.

P.S. Why is the Pokémon Anime GCPTR page called Pokémon Anime - Original Series Gym Leaders?

Edited by Shadao on Feb 5th 2019 at 11:54:14 AM

That still sounds like they weren't allowed to actually show it, so they did what they were allowed to do: imply it. I don't get the impression that what they did is something the radar doesn't allow. Pushing the edge isn't the same as crossing the border incognito.

Yes, that's the point here. It's past the radar, not teasing and playing with the radar but ultimately staying on the safe side.

• Several examples on Sesame Street that I'm pretty sure were unintentional:
  • In a song, someone describes something as fantastic and awesome, then later as glorious and stunning, and they think it's an acronym for "fags".
  • Kermit saying, "The letter 'F' starts a number of words that I can think of."
  • Big Bird thinks the alphabet is a word and describes it as "awfully QR" in the middle, which they think sounds like "queer".

Blegh. Nuke those.

Indeed. Contrary to popular belief, this trope is a bit stricter than "anything remotely questionable in a kids' show"...

...or people seeing questionable things that aren't there, for obvious reasons.

Edited by Lymantria on Feb 17th 2019 at 5:33:27 AM

A polthole from Characters.Babylon Five Earth Alliance

• Not Distracted by the Sexy: In "Lines of Communication" Sheridan walks in on Ivanova in her nightgown and just starts talking, ignoring her dress. She even has to note she needs to get dressed before they leave and he reacts with as much interest as someone saying "Okay, just let me turn off this light." Ivanova is perturbed (and a bit insulted) by this.
  • When Babylon 5 gets a new (and very pretty) political officer, who tries to "help" Sheridan get used to her "position" "under him," his only comment is that it must be colder in his quarters than he thought.

God, what a misused trope. Nuke it like a city full of xenomorphs.

Just checking to see if the examples from Radar.Paranorman count:

• Neil: "That statue just 'psst' at us?" ^note That line was in regards to the hissing sound Prenderghast made to get Norman's and (possibly unintentional) Neil's attention as he hid behind the historically inaccurate caricature statue of supposed witch. It sounded like Neil said "pissed," which is why it's considered well... Getting Crap Past the Radar.
• A less noticeable example: At one point the "Witchy Weiners" sign falls down... And the W in Witchy goes out.
• It's offscreen, but Alvin clearly grabs Courtney's butt at one point, prompting her to say in annoyance, "My HAND, Alvin. My hand."
  • It actually happens twice, once more at the very end when the lightpost falls, scaring Alvin and he grabs Courtney. It's easy to miss but this time he actually rubs his hand up and down the side of her butt.
• A subtle one: When Norman tells Courtney he knows about the picture in her underwear drawer, his dad makes a face that shows his disturbance. Norman's dad thinks he was going through his sister's underwear since he doesn't believe that the grandma's ghost told him about it.
• "Swear!" "You mean like the F-word?"

• The first one sounds like Accidental Innuendo, so cut.
• The second one looks like it might fit.
• The third one had bad indentation. The censors probably knew exactly what was happening but let it slide since the actual touching happened off-screen, and is therefore already "censored" enough to be acceptable.
• They were clearly talking about underwear in the fourth example, so the censors clearly thought it was okay. The father's reaction isn't really inappropriate.
• The fifth one can be cut. References to swearing are not the same thing as actually swearing.

If the page ends up cut, the sentence "Also, this movie milked its PG rating for all it was worth" should either be removed or have its pothole to Radar.Para Norman removed. Funny.Para Norman also mentions some of these examples complete with links to Getting Crap Past the Radar, so the subpages should be checked.

Edited by Someoneman on Feb 21st 2019 at 9:10:31 AM

There are a lot of examples on Radar.Gravity Falls. I thought I'd ask about these:

• One of the things that makes Dipper think Norman is a zombie is that he has something red on his face. He unconvincingly insists it's jam and it turns out he's a stack of gnomes, not a zombie, but we never find out for sure.^note In "Between the Pines", Hirsch said is really was jam, which was part of a funeral for the gnomes' last queen.
• The gnomes' plan is for Mabel to marry all of them. She's just twelve, and it's mentioned that there's at least a thousand of them. You do the math.
• "Watch those fingers, Mike."
• "Who wants to put on some blindfolds and get into my car?!"
  Dipper and Mabel: YAY!
  (Beat)
  Dipper: Wait, what?
• After Dipper asks her to imagine what she could do with five hundred dollars, Mabel has an Imagine Spot in which she buys a human-sized hamster ball. She then fantasizes about rolling up next to two boys in their car and hitting on them, saying "You can look, but you can't touch!" before rolling away.

There are a lot more, so someone should check them out.

Once again, those are all rooted in a fundamental misunderstanding of what Radar is. Cut.

ReBoot has a pretty long Radar entry, not sure if any of it counts.

However, I do have one example from this show that I think counts:

Edited by Primis on Feb 22nd 2019 at 2:40:04 AM

I agree with all of your conclusions. The only one that counts is the last.