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captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#76: Oct 26th 2013 at 4:17:25 PM

[up][up] I don't. Just speaking from experience but the few times I've used the trope talk for clarification were duds. I guess that's just not what people use that section for.

MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#77: Oct 26th 2013 at 4:20:54 PM

Trope Talk gets misused a lot.

MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#78: Nov 3rd 2013 at 9:00:32 PM

What is Trope Talk supposed to be used for, anyway? And what is it actually used for that it isn't supposed to? I never spend any time there.

MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#79: Nov 3rd 2013 at 9:02:30 PM

I think Trope Talk is supposed to be used for discussing tropes, like its use on the wiki and clarification.

MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#80: Nov 3rd 2013 at 9:32:39 PM

What's the distinction between Trope Talk and discussion pages, other than that discussion pages don't get used (because my response to that is "in part because Trope Talk siphons away some of its uses")?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#81: Nov 3rd 2013 at 10:44:43 PM

Trope Talk is talking about how tropes work and similar stuff. Discussion is more about the page itself.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#82: Nov 4th 2013 at 12:11:51 PM

I think of Trope Talk as a place for discussing the trope as a concept, and the discussion page as a place for discussing the trope as a page on the wiki.

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#83: Nov 4th 2013 at 5:32:52 PM

Everyone else has already said it.

Think of the discussion as the maintenance and issue section for a trope or works page. That is one of the places you are supposed to take issues with trope pages to work them out.

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MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#84: Nov 4th 2013 at 7:40:06 PM

See, that's what I thought, but Mikuru Fan seemed to be implying it had something to do with the trope as an entity on the wiki.

rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#85: Nov 4th 2013 at 9:41:10 PM

Image Pickin' is mentioned in the subject of this thread but then barely at all after. Most of the 80-plus post discussion is about TRS; it seems like it should be a TRS-only issue.

edited 4th Nov '13 9:42:41 PM by rodneyAnonymous

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Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#86: Nov 5th 2013 at 4:50:51 PM

^ Especially since IP is still short of the cap by a good bit, or was last I looked. TRS is always hovering around the cut-off point.

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kjnoren Since: Feb, 2011
#87: Nov 10th 2013 at 1:39:01 PM

Coming late to this, but I think improving the TRS must be viewed as a cultural thing. Technical changes should have a clear intent how to support the desired culture. (I think several people here grok this, but it never hurts to spell out.)

If one takes a look at Arc Words TRS, one trouble that sticks out is that the shift from decision to implementation isn't terribly clear - one month was spent in inaction after the decision was made without anything happening.

Basically, it had been decided to transplant the existing trope to a new name (decided in TRS through crowner) and the old trope name would be used with a new definition (that fit the misuse). But should we get new YKTTW threads for both the "new" tropes, or only one of them? And deciding on trope names in TRS seems backwards, isn't that the job of YKTTW?

Which brings me to YKTTW, which to me is a frightening mess right now. But that's a discussion for another day.

MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#88: Nov 13th 2013 at 6:07:22 PM

And deciding on trope names in TRS seems backwards, isn't that the job of YKTTW?
That was its original job, but it's now much wider and no longer has a monopoly on naming, as the fact that YKTT Ws actually require having a name going in shows. (Whether or not it should is another matter.)

Also, a lot of the time bad names went through YKTTW to begin with (though a lot of the time they're premature launches). The TRS crew is generally better at spotting problem names, which means they're better at avoiding them. Now maybe the TRS crew should hang out at YKTTW more, but again, that's another matter.

Your line of reasoning seems to suggest moving threads in the implementation phase to another forum, which I think has been suggested and rejected before on the grounds that the people who bring up a problem should be expected to do the work of solving it or something like that.

edited 13th Nov '13 6:09:29 PM by MorganWick

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#89: Nov 13th 2013 at 7:58:43 PM

Isn't the "Final Action" button supposed to be affixed to threads that have a decision and need implementing?

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#90: Nov 13th 2013 at 8:10:08 PM

That was the idea. Not sure it had any actual effect.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#91: Nov 13th 2013 at 9:44:34 PM

I think it would have more effect if we could see it on the overall Wiki and Forums page. That's where I go to get updates, and the star doesn't show up there.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#92: Nov 14th 2013 at 12:13:20 AM

The Pending Final Action tags work only as long as they are used consistently. I have used them in the past; until I can free up some time for TRS work I can't ask for more usage.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
kjnoren Since: Feb, 2011
KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#94: Nov 23rd 2013 at 5:35:15 AM

Can we discuss this further, please? I would really like for the Trope Repair Shop to be steamlined as to make it more useful and to make it easier to start new threads.

FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#95: Nov 23rd 2013 at 7:14:34 AM

Starting threads is easy. We need ideas on how to get the work done and the threads closed.

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#96: Nov 23rd 2013 at 7:49:31 AM

On a sidenote, this might be a good moment to implement the "approval needed for thread" idea, considering that we are a few slots below the thread cap.

I'll give some thoughts on the "resolving TRS topics" issues soon; I have to mull over it a bit.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The imaginative Christian Asperger
#97: Nov 23rd 2013 at 1:10:08 PM

[up][up]I was talking about the fact that Trope Repair Shop discussions are so stalled that they fill up the thread cap and rarely go down.

edited 23rd Nov '13 1:10:26 PM by KarjamP

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#98: Nov 23rd 2013 at 2:38:31 PM

That's the point Fast Eddie was addressing as well.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The imaginative Christian Asperger
#99: Nov 23rd 2013 at 2:55:25 PM

[up]I wasn't disagreeing with him.

I'm just making sure that he knew what I meant. tongue

edited 23rd Nov '13 2:55:49 PM by KarjamP

FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#100: Nov 23rd 2013 at 6:47:40 PM

Right. I was just putting the focus on the getting stuff done bit. I think we will begin to throttle thread creation by having threads approved by a mod, like we do in OTC. The next big thing is to improve the workflow from that point.

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty

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