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jaustin89 Since: Jul, 2012
#51: Oct 12th 2013 at 7:08:46 PM

Wait, I thought the girl getting sexually abused was heavily implied.

Same here.

edited 12th Oct '13 7:09:40 PM by jaustin89

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#52: Oct 12th 2013 at 9:20:26 PM

Note nowhere did I mention that the original was better because of the elements left out.
I judged by the tone of what you quoted before, and the tone was slanted in that direction.

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iridium248 Since: Dec, 2009
#53: Oct 12th 2013 at 9:23:50 PM

Just watched the first two episodes, and...Wow.

This is kind of boring, isn't it? I mean, SAO's second episode had that awesome fight against Ilfang the Kobold Lord, but this basically had...Well, nothing. There's no sense of threat, either, since you can't die permanently in-game - And the food tastes like crap.

Lower budget and production values, too, and a simply terrible OP. Even the game they're in feels significantly less polished.

It's like they're trapped in a cheap Chinese bootleg of Aincraid: One of those fly-by-night, pay-to-win MM Os that close down shortly after they come up.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#54: Oct 12th 2013 at 9:30:32 PM

No, it's not boring. Granted, I want to see what they're going to do with it and what conflicts are going to show up, but "mortal danger" isn't the only thing that can make something exciting.

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KnightOfNASA Since: Jan, 2013
#55: Oct 12th 2013 at 9:34:57 PM

IDK where did you get the "pay to win" from. There is nothing from the show that indicates such thing.

The Other Wiki have this listed under "comedy".

Rem Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#56: Oct 12th 2013 at 9:45:58 PM

[up][up][up] SAO is another genre entirely. You can compare the portrayal of the MMO setting (For instance, to me, Log Horizon seems more in depth and realistic, whereas SAO's system, flawed though it is, is more unique), but otherwise they don't have that much in common (Aside from target demographic, I mean).

Any two-bit writer can use death as a source of drama—it takes more skill to invoke it through less extreme means. You can be the judge of how successful Log Horizon was to you in that regard, naturally, but it's not like the, "Oh no, I could die!" thing is some genius, revolutionary plot device SAO's author came up with.

edited 12th Oct '13 9:46:14 PM by Rem

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MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#57: Oct 12th 2013 at 9:47:02 PM

[up]x4

Someone mentioned that the feel of Elder Tale was what Everquest was at its height, and the MMO seems to be very old by the time The Apocalypse happens to the characters (take note how Naotsugu says that he hasn't been online for a year or two).

Also, if you haven't noticed, its done by the Maoyuu author, and the focus isn't on the battles but politics and, hilariously, political change. Heck, apparently there was a several pages-long rambling monologue on the nature of side-jobs, which we got only a bit of this episode.

edited 12th Oct '13 9:48:37 PM by MyssaRei

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#58: Oct 12th 2013 at 9:57:31 PM

Just popping in to say that I agree with Jaustin and NASA about sexual assault thing. When we talk about a young girl travelling alone and running into some dangerous people, well, that's simply the first place the mind goes.

probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#59: Oct 12th 2013 at 10:03:30 PM

Oh, oh!

Episode 2 peaked my curiosity to a point wherein I want to read spoilers!

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jaustin89 Since: Jul, 2012
#60: Oct 12th 2013 at 10:41:23 PM

[up][up] Especially since the tone and word choices were completely different from when they were discussing P Kers, in that if it was just attempted P Kers they'd have said that, rather than "Dangerous People" said in a tone that implies a euphemism.

RJSavoy Reymmã from Edinburgh Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#61: Oct 13th 2013 at 12:32:32 PM

I missed the danger of sexual assault entirely... I think I was too much in a gaming mindset. In how many games can you rape other players? (I know players often use such terms, because "killing" has no potency and "maiming" lacks the humilitation component.) If the food has not taste, it is likely the sex is similar. Maybe that will have implications for any romance.

They remove death as a threat... then make that into a major angst point as even suicide is meaningless. Instead the fact that their journey will be reset is the source of tension. Works fine for me.

There are other things that don't. That fight had too much infodumping, and the dialogue with the guild felt off. I hope the party dynamics move beyond running gags. The pacing is about right though.

Someone on Crunchyroll mentioned that this show is a genuine love letter to gaming, while SAO was more a gamer's self-insert wish fulfilment. (Can't testify, I haven't watched SAO past the first two episodes.)

I find myself asking the same question I have with all classic swords-and-sorceries: how long before a dragon turns up?

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kiukiuclk from 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693 Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: My TiMER is ticking
#62: Oct 13th 2013 at 2:42:16 PM

[up] Skyrim happening would be pretty cool actually.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#63: Oct 13th 2013 at 4:00:05 PM

It's not Skyrim unless someone yells at a dragon after taking an arrow to the knee.

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Diamite Rainy Echoes Since: Jul, 2013
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#64: Oct 13th 2013 at 11:11:11 PM

Episode 2:

  • The skills are cool. And Akatsuki really is a ninja assassin.cool
  • I'm loving the character interactions.smile
  • Confirmed; no need to worry about permadeath.
  • Time for a rescue mission! And those griffons were cool.

Kiefen MINE! from Germany Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
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#65: Oct 14th 2013 at 1:33:05 AM

Though I wondered why they even bothered with riding the horses in the first place...

Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
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#66: Oct 14th 2013 at 3:35:46 AM

[up]To keep their ability to summon griffons a secret, I think. Our hero's still a bit cagey around others.

What's precedent ever done for us?
MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#67: Oct 14th 2013 at 6:04:37 AM

A translation work in progress, but thanks to the people at /a/, we're getting specifics at how the 12 classes work in Log Horizon.

danna45 Owner of Dead End from Wagnaria Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#68: Oct 14th 2013 at 6:56:45 AM

[up]Yeah, /a/'s pretty crazy about LH. Seems like the plot gets even better in the novels, I can't wait for translations.

Also Shaman sounds fun to play. Maybe bard but that's not translated yet...

edited 14th Oct '13 6:59:21 AM by danna45

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#69: Oct 14th 2013 at 7:33:26 AM

Came across Log Horizon thread over at /a/, and I had to force self to stop reading because reading it made me want to resubscribe to WOW.

Lots and lots of skills

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MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#70: Oct 14th 2013 at 8:59:56 AM

Speaking of which, look what we found on Enterbrain's publishing site... A pen and paper RPG rulebook for Log Horizon, scheduled for February 2014. ^.^

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#71: Oct 14th 2013 at 11:31:34 AM

Also Shaman sounds fun to play. Maybe bard but that's not translated yet...

Bard is weak on its own but supports people with magical songs. Sounds pretty boring, probably.

Cleric is specialized healer; Druid is all-rounder with damage spell too, but mana inefficient; Summoner is standard pet class (over a hundred pets! but not all at once of course. popular with soloists).

MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#72: Oct 14th 2013 at 5:13:05 PM

Oddly enough, comparisons to Acchi Kocchi keep on popping up in discussions elswhere with regards to this show. I am amused.

edited 14th Oct '13 5:13:23 PM by MyssaRei

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#73: Oct 14th 2013 at 5:54:39 PM

Why? How?

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danna45 Owner of Dead End from Wagnaria Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#74: Oct 14th 2013 at 6:09:24 PM

Hm, not seeing that much of a difference between bard and enchanter. Still, would totally play shaman if an MMO or even a single-player game of this comes out.

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kiukiuclk from 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693 Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: My TiMER is ticking
#75: Oct 14th 2013 at 6:21:52 PM

[up][up] I had to look that up....and I have no idea. Unless it was the same anime studio or something.

Honestly, the classes and world all seem really vanilla, all that's more just a lack of detail and intentional.


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