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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#251: Sep 9th 2021 at 3:17:32 PM

Right-wingers using memes from the Matrix, a movie made by two trans women, is still the biggest irony.

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#252: Sep 9th 2021 at 4:27:32 PM

I was never part of the original Matrix speculation hype fandom so I want to full dive into this one.

I'm dissapointed though that it won't be going with my long held belief that if there was ever a fourth movie it would be disguised as a reboot of the first movie only for Neo to jump in at the 1/3 mark and say the real world is just another Matrix layer.

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#253: Sep 10th 2021 at 3:50:42 PM

I'm still thinking that the Matrix was somehow rebooted or something, hence why everything looks different and there's new people but Neo and Trinity are also still there and somehow alive again.

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#254: Sep 10th 2021 at 4:42:51 PM

[up][up] "The real world is another Matrix" was a very popular theory, especially after the Reloaded cliffhanger. Personally, I've always thought that the shock value of such a twist isn't worth the narrative ramifications that would come from such a betrayal of audience comprehension.

Basically: once you cross that line, there can never be a real world. Once you've introduced the idea of Matrix layers, it's turtles all the way down. You can swear up and down that, "No, the real real world is the real world," but your audience now expects that to be another Matrix layer too. Everything is Matrixes no matter how hard you insist it's not. In the minds of your audience, true reality no longer exists.

And for a story predicated on trying to free minds from the construct, erasing the concept of freedom is devastating to the ability to tell a cohesive story.

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#255: Sep 10th 2021 at 6:13:18 PM

[up] Sounds like an Homage to Asian myths.

Every world we can think of as just being another part of the Matrix feels like Buddhist Reincarnation to me. With each reinarnation, you technically experience another world until you finally reach enlightenment.

If that aspect was a part of The Matrix, I wouldn't be surprised at this point.

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#256: Sep 11th 2021 at 7:32:32 PM

Huh.

Never thought I'd see another literal iteration of The Matrix. Are we just seeing another iteration of the Matrix where Neo has a beard.

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#257: Sep 14th 2021 at 7:51:42 PM

Lana Wachowski’s answer for why she’s writing and directing a new story with Neo and Trinity is as a means to process grief. sad

Lana: My dad died, then this friend died, then my mom died. I didn’t really know how to process that kind of grief. I hadn't experienced it that closely ... You know their lives are going to end and yet it was still really hard. My brain has always reached into my imagination and one night, I was crying and I couldn’t sleep, and my brain exploded this whole story. And I couldn’t have my mom and dad, yet suddenly I had Neo and Trinity, arguably the two most important characters in my life. It was immediately comforting to have these two characters alive again, and it’s super simple. You can look at it and say: ‘Okay, these two people die and okay, bring these two people back to life and oh, doesn’t that feel good?’ Yeah, it did! It’s simple, and this is what art does and that's what stories do, they comfort us.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 14th 2021 at 7:51:57 AM

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#258: Sep 14th 2021 at 8:29:37 PM

Heartwarming.

But also ominous?

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#259: Sep 15th 2021 at 11:46:43 AM

[up][up] Interesting. It suggests that Resurrections is going to have more of an emotional core than the prior trilogy.

Not that it would be hard to top the prior films in that regard. As much as I could gush about the series, to call it emotionally detached would be an understatement and its handling of human elements have been awkward even at its best. I am still skeptical about many aspects of the film, but it has certainly gained my interest.

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#260: Sep 15th 2021 at 5:27:43 PM

My dad died, then this friend died, then my mom died. I didn’t really know how to process that kind of grief. I hadn't experienced it that closely ... You know their lives are going to end and yet it was still really hard. My brain has always reached into my imagination and one night, I was crying and I couldn’t sleep, and my brain exploded this whole story. And I couldn’t have my mom and dad, yet suddenly I had Neo and Trinity, arguably the two most important characters in my life. It was immediately comforting to have these two characters alive again, and it’s super simple.

...well god damn.

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#261: Sep 15th 2021 at 6:18:06 PM

Yeah. I was absolutely writing this film off as a zero-effort cash-grab aping the original trilogy movie.

But if this movie is about processing the writer/director's grief, then that's actual art. Which, fucking fuck, means I actually have to watch it. Goddammit.

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#262: Sep 15th 2021 at 6:45:42 PM

You're acting like this means it's still going to be terrible, despite there being a genuine heart behind it. Sometimes you can get pretty cynical, man.

There's no guarantees that it will be great, of course, but the trailer seemed fine. There has never been a Wachowski movie that I watched and thought "this was a zero effort cash grab and I wish I hadn't watched it" (though I never saw Jupiter Ascending, which was apparently their worst movie). I genuinely enjoyed Reloaded and Revolutions, too.

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#263: Sep 15th 2021 at 7:03:23 PM

The trailer seemed like someone just went down the checklist of "How to make a Matrix movie".

You got Neo. You got Trinity. You got Morpheus (kind of). Some trippy visuals, Matrix code stuff, Neo doing explosion punches, freaky shots of the people pods in the human world, etc. Everything that "should be there" is there, and absolutely nothing else. Oh, and let's make a big deal out of "Red pill, blue pill" because the audience ate that shit up so hard that some real-world groups of people use it as an identity.

Nothing in the trailer actually made it seem like there was a single ounce of care or passion put into this film. It just looks like a Matrix movie, because everyone wants that franchise money.

Lana's interview is the first thing I've heard about this film that makes me believe that someone, at least, actually wanted to make it.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 15th 2021 at 7:04:43 AM

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#264: Sep 15th 2021 at 8:16:49 PM

If there’s one thing one can say about the Wachowskis, for better or worse, it’s that their movies are completely sincere and never done for just cash. Some argue that’s to their detriment, others think that’s their greatest strength, but regardless it shows in all their films.

though I never saw Jupiter Ascending, which was apparently their worst movie

Seen it, and although it is very flawed it wants to be a new epic for the ages. Note that even their most commercially successful and “slick” movie completely commits to the trope of Back from the Dead via The Power of Love alone.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 15th 2021 at 8:21:39 AM

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#265: Sep 15th 2021 at 8:25:38 PM

[up][up] And to be honest, you really do tend to make poor judgements like this (Not counting talking about Lana Wachowski's interview) in other threads, and it coming accross as excessively negative.

Just saying, it kinda brings down the mood in the htread for no real reason.

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#266: Sep 15th 2021 at 8:37:44 PM

I have never gotten the impression in the last decade or so of their filmography that the Wachowskis are the type to do zero-effort cash grab stuff. Cloud Atlas, Jupiter Ascending, and Sense 8 (who have returning Production Posse working on Matrix 4, mind) are all horrendously expensive humanist epics, which is why I expect Resurrection to be similar. Their stuff hasn't landed for the general public in some time, but they are reliably willing to swing for the fences.

Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 15th 2021 at 10:39:11 AM

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#267: Sep 15th 2021 at 9:00:09 PM

[up][up]Ahem. Let's not make tropers and whatever you think about them the topic with unnecessary comments/barbs, shall we? I wholly disagree but I'm not going to let this keep going, considering that's an important rule here.

...Reeves's beard. How long has he had that?

Edited by fredhot16 on Sep 15th 2021 at 9:11:15 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#268: Sep 15th 2021 at 9:02:11 PM

[up]Seems like he's been sporting it since John Wick, but I do think he shaved it for Bill & Ted Face the Music.

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#269: Sep 15th 2021 at 9:04:06 PM

...Oh, god. This thread still shows up on the "Latest Posts in Media" thing even if you click on the newest post.

[up]I did think he had that beard in John Wick.

Edited by fredhot16 on Sep 15th 2021 at 9:05:35 AM

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#270: Sep 15th 2021 at 9:05:44 PM

He did. He was rocking the beard in every John Wick, but I believe he did lose it for the third Bill and Ted movie.

Seems he grew it back for this movie though.

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#271: Sep 15th 2021 at 9:05:45 PM

I think it's been said he didn't want another Henry Cavill mustache scenario, and he was filming John Wick 4 at the same time as this so he needed to keep it.

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#272: Sep 15th 2021 at 9:06:31 PM

[up][up][up] From what I’ve seen, Man of Tai Chi is the last movie with the Matrix-era clean-shaven Keanu, and 47 Ronin is the first movie with modern beard Keanu.

Edited by GeneralGigan on Sep 15th 2021 at 1:12:39 PM

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#273: Sep 15th 2021 at 9:12:00 PM

inb4

Ah, [nja]He's done the long hair and beard look since 47 Ronin at least.

Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 15th 2021 at 11:12:19 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#274: Sep 15th 2021 at 9:16:22 PM

He's pulling it off better than Steven Seagal at least.

Helps Keanu ain't a creep.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 15th 2021 at 9:16:41 AM

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#275: Sep 16th 2021 at 5:22:20 AM

It’s not a feat to be better at something than Steven Seagal.

The legend has returned.

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