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Bunai Space Bunny from Jupiter Since: Oct, 2010
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#1: Sep 15th 2013 at 2:23:16 PM

With the VOCALOID3 era going strong there are more voice bank announcements or related mascots mentions every few months. The single page is getting lengthy and tedious to edit.

I was thinking that branching the pages by companies who have more than two VOCALOIDs released. But more thought on how to handle companies that have one or how many are under each language.

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edited 19th Sep '13 1:16:51 PM by Bunai

Grounder Main Character Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
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#2: Sep 15th 2013 at 3:09:06 PM

That'd move the problem to too many Vocaloid pages, at least with that low a requirement.

If something were to be done, I think separate alphabetical pages would be better.

Bunai Space Bunny from Jupiter Since: Oct, 2010
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#3: Sep 16th 2013 at 7:00:08 AM

You will have to explain this. Because giving companies their own pages and group smaller groups seems like a less messy way to me.

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#4: Sep 16th 2013 at 7:41:11 AM

Basically split up the character page into A to whatever, whatever to whatever, etc.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#5: Sep 18th 2013 at 7:56:32 PM

[up][up] I'd rather go with.

  • A page for the Crypton Vocaloids.
  • A page for the Internet Co. and AH-Software Vocaloids (Which may be merged with the Crypton page)
  • A page for other Japanese studios.
  • And a page for other Languages. (English, Spanish, Korean and Chinese)

Bunai Space Bunny from Jupiter Since: Oct, 2010
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#6: Sep 19th 2013 at 10:12:57 AM

[up] Basically that is the idea. @Morning Star 1337.

@Grounder - I didn't mean companies with only 'one Vocaloid' having their own page, I am looking at the larger ones or at least the ones that have 'more than two' Vocaloids. Voctro came as a surprise by having two females in development, which puts them on level with Power FX. And also Zero-G has been quoted as to having another male Vocaloid which may be partnered with Avanna, so that puts them at eight total in Vocaloid releases.

Since Bplats is YAMAHA's official developer they work with smaller companies [in collaboration] to produce voice banks, but I think i-Style and Shanghai He Nian can make due on their own. With i-Style being on 'Other studios' and Shanghai having their own page depending on how well the individual characters can be separated by trope, despite not having voice banks they are still apart of the franchise.

So far I see only SeeU either merging with 'Other studios', unless SBS or another company will be releasing a Vocaloid, SeeU is kind of on her own and the only Korean Vocaloid to exist. The only thing that would be removed is 'Other Japanese studios'. And then there are the Fanloids, which both ascended and popular types can go onto one page. However, remove the title "Fanloid" and simply state 'Related, Similar, Influenced, or Derived' to include mascots such as Iku, FL-chan, Meaw, Dong Fang Zhi Zi etc.

Proposal 1.

  • Solo pages for... AH-Software, Bplats, Crypton Future Media, Internet Co, Power FX, Shanghai He Nian, Voctro Labs, and Zero-G.
  • Merged (by one Vocaloid)... 1st Place, Dear Stage (Moe Japan), Exit Tunes, Ki/oon Records, Lawson, MI7, Music Airport, and SBS Artech.
  • Merged by (by two Vocaloid)... I-style Project, SEGA‎, and Vocaloid Next.

That would be

  • A total of 8 solo pages; each having 4 to 6 Vocaloids.
  • A total of 1 merge page with 8 single Vocaloids.
  • And another 1 merge page with 6 partnered Vocaloids.

Additional idea. Though Not preferred.

  • Merged page by English Vocaloids... Power FX and Zero-G.
  • Merged page for Bplats containing folders for i-Style and Shanghai He Nian.

The point is to try and make it as minimal/organized as possible and easier to edit. So the idea of merging Crypton with AH-Soft is ridiculous to me, both combined are already long enough as is. And plus AH-Soft has their Voiceroid series which can be included on the page- giving them more voice banks than Crypton regardless of those banks not being designed for singing.

This will also give partnered Vocaloids their own space for tropes. Vocaloid China is the base and now we have ZOLA PROJECT which is three males. Each having their own popularity status with the fandom.

edited 19th Sep '13 10:17:42 AM by Bunai

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#7: Sep 19th 2013 at 12:11:22 PM

[up]Well I was going based off the "Popularity/Mainstream" thing with the First two pages (Though AH-Soft might be stretching it). But I think that 10 pages total would be overkill. Granted they would be easier to edit, but there doesn't seem to be enought tropes to justify them yet.

Also I still think the MLP character pages was an extreme example for comparison.

Another suguesstion would be some work pages for other producers. The only ones with a page are cosMo, mothy, Supercell (technically a circle but sill) and DECO*27. And I'm sure a bunch of other producers used Vocaloids to tell stories and play with tropes.

edited 19th Sep '13 12:12:43 PM by MorningStar1337

Bunai Space Bunny from Jupiter Since: Oct, 2010
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#8: Sep 19th 2013 at 1:15:59 PM

It's Crypton and Internet Co that are popular/mainstream. With AH-Soft it is primarily Iroha and a bit of miki that are popular.

MLP was a quick example, as in character pages that are split. I could have grabbed any other series but MLP was the first that came to mind when it comes to a lot of characters that need space.

I never messed with producer trope pages, but on the subject it seems that a series and circle pages would cover this best, especially with Mothy.


To continue.

If ten is excessive then the additional proposal will probably cover it with some adjustments.

Proposal 2.

  • Solo pages for... AH-Software, Crypton Future Media, Internet Co.
  • Solo with merge for... Bplats, I-style Project, Shanghai He Nian.
  • Solo with merge for... Power FX, Zero-G, and Voctro Labs.
  • Merged (by one Vocaloid)... 1st Place, Dear Stage (Moe Japan), Exit Tunes, Fuji TV, Ki/oon Records, Lawson, MI7, Music Airport, and SBS Artech... (includes two Vocaloids) SEGA‎, and Vocaloid Next.

That would be

  • A total of 3 solo pages; each having 4 to 6 Vocaloids.
  • A total of 3 solo merge pages:
    • [bplats (6), istyle (2), shanghai (6)] with 14 Vocaloids.
    • [pfx (4) zrg (7), vtro (4)] with 15 Vocaloids.
    • for the rest by including SEGA and Voca Next with 13 Vocaloids. Note that Tone Rion is a tough call because her voice bank status, though she did spring from Dear Stage mascot-wise.

Extra would be

  • Similar/Derivative mascots. However, Crypton related derivatives could go on their page, thus clearing up the section and even possible elimination of that section if it doesn't expand beyond the mentioned two. Or they can just be left there as is and the index placed at the top.

edited 19th Sep '13 3:14:06 PM by Bunai

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#9: Sep 19th 2013 at 1:50:04 PM

[up] That might work. So, do you need A crowner to get this proposal approved?

edited 19th Sep '13 1:50:29 PM by MorningStar1337

Bunai Space Bunny from Jupiter Since: Oct, 2010
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#10: Sep 19th 2013 at 3:05:01 PM

[up] If so it would be my first time asking for one, as I felt it should be brought as an idea to sort.

Does this crowner include the possible names of merged pages?

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#11: Sep 19th 2013 at 3:18:39 PM

[up] I don't think we can make a crowner for this thread for some reason. But maybe I can ask a mod to attach one.

Bear in mind that the cronwers seem to be consensus thingies.

Okay, I asked the mods to hook a crowner to this thread. I included both your proposals and my proposal in the crowner.

edited 19th Sep '13 5:07:37 PM by MorningStar1337

Bunai Space Bunny from Jupiter Since: Oct, 2010
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#12: Sep 19th 2013 at 6:41:22 PM

Thanks

>_> I'm not seeing anything happening though. ^_^;;

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#14: Sep 19th 2013 at 8:29:15 PM

[up]Thanks.

[up][up] I'll tell the Vocaloid general thread about this thread. That should bring in the Wiki Magic needed for your apporval

edited 19th Sep '13 8:34:43 PM by MorningStar1337

Bunai Space Bunny from Jupiter Since: Oct, 2010
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#15: Sep 19th 2013 at 8:53:18 PM

Okay, I see now.

Thanks.

edited 22nd Sep '13 8:16:30 AM by Bunai

DragonGeyser The Chew Toy of Gaming from a computer, DUH. Since: Dec, 2010
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#16: Sep 21st 2013 at 10:54:03 AM

Uh, what about the notable fanloids? Would they just get lumped in with Crypton, seeing as most of them are based off of Cryptonloids?

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Bunai Space Bunny from Jupiter Since: Oct, 2010
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#17: Sep 21st 2013 at 11:03:01 AM

[up] " Crypton related derivatives could go on their [Crypton solo page], thus clearing up the section and even possible elimination of that section if it doesn't expand beyond the mentioned two. Or they can just be left there as is and the index placed at the top. "

Dizzyzebra (・`◡´・) from UK Since: Jul, 2012
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#18: Sep 21st 2013 at 11:48:52 AM

Sounds good, it'll be useful to have a revamp.

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#19: Sep 21st 2013 at 12:39:54 PM

It looks like my suggestion has the most votes so far.

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#20: Sep 25th 2013 at 12:35:02 PM

Bumping this for votes - 4 isn't all that much.

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#21: Oct 3rd 2013 at 2:14:52 PM

Bumping because I don't think we have enough votes yet, and if we do; no one seems to be making the new pages.

edited 3rd Oct '13 2:15:33 PM by MorningStar1337

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#22: Oct 3rd 2013 at 8:10:50 PM

[up] Not nearly enough votes.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#23: Oct 4th 2013 at 1:46:54 AM

I've read the thread, but not voted because I haven't a clue about what the arguments for each option entails in practice.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#24: Oct 4th 2013 at 1:51:24 AM

Same for me. Also, in practice you cannot expect other people to make the pages. Doesn't happen in practice.

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Bunai Space Bunny from Jupiter Since: Oct, 2010
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#25: Oct 5th 2013 at 5:29:54 PM

I am questioning if people voting for the first proposal know which Vocaloids are for each company and how many will be one page.

Is the second proposal still too many pages?

19th Sep '13 4:57:56 PM

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Okay the Vocaloid Character Sheet needs to be split. Here are the options:

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