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A thread to discuss My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic and the tie-in media.

All of the usual forum rules apply. In addition, please remember that the thread is discussing a kids' show, and it's primarily focused on the work itself, not the fanfic — in particular, we don't want to see lewdness creeping in.

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I don't know WHAT the Hell happened (I blame shenanigans) but we're going to start from scratch. Post your feels for this awesome show again! Naow!

Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 26th 2024 at 10:24:26 AM

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#71651: May 12th 2014 at 11:56:07 AM

By the way, I know it wasn't the same one people were joking about, but I'm very amused that Twilight's key did, in fact, turn out to be a friendship necklace from Discord.

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#71652: May 12th 2014 at 12:10:06 PM

@Big Danny: Its Storge. And actually Celly and Luna are, technically, the Gods of the Sun and the Moon respectively.

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#71653: May 12th 2014 at 12:10:33 PM

@Purple: Twilight outranks her anyway. I can't imagine that it'll be a problem.

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#71654: May 12th 2014 at 12:12:09 PM

But they rule together as sisters.

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#71655: May 12th 2014 at 12:16:42 PM

Dissertation....done....

You just got a PHD? Congrats.

From what I've heard, it sounds like 7 years of hell for little gain.

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BigDannyC Since: Dec, 2013
#71656: May 12th 2014 at 12:18:19 PM

PHD?

Oh no no, I'm an undergrad!

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#71657: May 12th 2014 at 12:22:30 PM

Oh, I didn't know they did dissertations.

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JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#71658: May 12th 2014 at 12:27:00 PM

[up]The exact name depends on the place. I had to write a thesis for my Masters degree.

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#71659: May 12th 2014 at 12:27:58 PM

Dissertation is Masters, not Ph D. But congrats!

Also, why do people always say that Discord was in stone for a thousand years? It's implied to be a lot longer.

Secondly, the fact that Celestia and Luna rule separately is stated at the start of episode one! And Luna left Canterlot completely when she was off-duty during A Canterlot Wedding. Clearly so that they couldn't both be taken out at the same time.

Thirdly, the reason that they should not have both fought Sombra if they thought only one could beat him is not in case of attack by the Crystal Empire, but in case of attack by any of Equestria's 'other enemies. They aren't exactly short'' of them. They're lucky that they place wasn't overrun by changelings when they got back.

Fourthly, Celestia said that he was defeated "but not before" he could place a curse. That implies that if they worked faster, they could have stopped him from doing so.

Fifthly, the ponies were surprised by Sombra's return. This means that Celestia didn't realise he was strong enough to come back. Except he was.

Sixthly, did you see their faces when they blasted him!? You don't look that when you're just banishing somepony. Doing that intentionally doesn't make a lot of sense. "Oooh! Let's make him even 'more'' difficult to fight and then stuff him in some prison that can melt for a while!"

EDIT:

I had to write a thesis for my Masters degree.

Ouch! A dissertation was rough enough for me!

(Of course, I still want a Ph D, so I'll have to write a thesis then)

edited 12th May '14 12:29:55 PM by Sereg

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#71660: May 12th 2014 at 12:38:37 PM

Thirdly, the reason that they should not have both fought Sombra if they thought only one could beat him is not in case of attack by the Crystal Empire, but in case of attack by any of Equestria's 'other enemies. They aren't exactly short'' of them. They're lucky that they place wasn't overrun by changelings when they got back.

This really depends on the exact mechanics of the setting. But in most games, you'd want to stick together regardless of precise threat level.

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#71661: May 12th 2014 at 12:40:47 PM

Games have a reason for that. One that doesn't apply for other forms of fiction.

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#71662: May 12th 2014 at 12:43:17 PM

I had to write a thesis for my Masters, and will do a dissertation most likely if I go back to school. Congrats, Danny!

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Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#71663: May 12th 2014 at 12:55:28 PM

2. At the time yes, but since Luna returned, they've been seen more and more ruling together, acting in convert with each other. Not hard to assume that while it used to be a clear divided, since then they've taken to working together more. Consulting each other on the big things. While one is still mostly 'in charge' during the might/day it's mostly just the day to day stuff, or the duties unique to that court.

3. Again making assumptions. that they have that many enemies, and that they could move that fast. Again, why limit your reaction to a threat like Sombra? take him out with your full force, rathe then half ass it, and hope you don't get screwed.

4.Could mean he cast the spell before they arrived and defeated him, not between engaging him and defeating him.

5.Yeah, she didn't realize he could come back? And? Doesn't mean he's 'stronger' then she though, just that he's able to do something. Doesn't necessarily mean strength, could have been brains, or simple luck.

6. Given what was going on, hard to give the details credence when it's all just Tia talking about it. A story about what happened, not seeing the actual events.

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#71664: May 12th 2014 at 1:02:42 PM

And Luna left Canterlot completely when she was off-duty during A Canterlot Wedding. Clearly so that they couldn't both be taken out at the same time.
That's a lot of assumption to make based on an action like that. She could have had other business to attend to.

Thirdly, the reason that they should not have both fought Sombra if they thought only one could beat him is not in case of attack by the Crystal Empire, but in case of attack by any of Equestria's 'other enemies. They aren't exactly short'' of them.
I'm certain that if something of the magnitude of power that would require the presence of a princess was an immediate threat, they would have taken it into account.

Fourthly, Celestia said that he was defeated "but not before" he could place a curse. That implies that if they worked faster, they could have stopped him from doing so.
Worked faster, yes, but not necessarily during the fight itself. She could simply have meant that if they had launched the attack sooner, they could have stopped him before he placed the curse.

Fifthly, the ponies were surprised by Sombra's return. This means that Celestia didn't realise he was strong enough to come back. Except he was.
Given Celly's reaction of urgency when the guard tells her that the Crystal Empire has returned, I'd wager she had anticipated his return would be tied to the Empire.

Sixthly, did you see their faces when they blasted him!? You don't look that when you're just banishing somepony. Doing that intentionally doesn't make a lot of sense. "Oooh! Let's make him even 'more'' difficult to fight and then stuff him in some prison that can melt for a while!"
The Elements don't seem to be a thing that does lethal damage. I'll grant that they might not have known what the Elements would do, though, and were just using whatever force was necessarily to subdue him.

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#71665: May 12th 2014 at 1:09:08 PM

We don't know enough details about just what went down in the fight with Sombra to draw any real conclusions from it about.. anything.

And Tia reaction didn't need to have anything to do with Sombra, but simply wanting to make sure the Empire didn't disappear again, or get taken over by some other force before they could find a way to stabilize it.

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#71666: May 12th 2014 at 1:12:57 PM

We don't know enough details about just what went down in the fight with Sombra to draw any real conclusions from it about.. anything.

This, basically. I'm not saying that you're wrong about the relative power levels involved, just that it's only one of many perfectly valid inferences to make from the little info we have.

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#71667: May 12th 2014 at 1:41:30 PM

Also, why do people always say that Discord was in stone for a thousand years? It's implied to be a lot longer.

Well, he was imprisoned for at least one thousand years, which already gets the point across. Because human minds (and presumably most ponies as well) can't really accurately conceive of passages of time longer than a couple lifespans, whether it was really 1200 years or 4800 years doesn't really matter. One's four times longer than the other, but most people just shorthand both of them to "a really, really, really long time".

edited 12th May '14 1:42:43 PM by IrishZombie

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#71668: May 12th 2014 at 1:45:08 PM

2. At the time yes, but since Luna returned, they've been seen more and more ruling together, acting in convert with each other. Not hard to assume that while it used to be a clear divided, since then they've taken to working together more. Consulting each other on the big things. While one is still mostly 'in charge' during the might/day it's mostly just the day to day stuff, or the duties unique to that court.

Doesn't change the fact that they operated separately, even if not independently.

3. Again making assumptions. that they have that many enemies, and that they could move that fast. Again, why limit your reaction to a threat like Sombra? take him out with your full force, rathe then half ass it, and hope you don't get screwed.
We've seen the ridiculous number of threats they have! I'm going by observational evidence.

4.Could mean he cast the spell before they arrived and defeated him, not between engaging him and defeating him.

Possible (hence me saying "implied" rather than "stated") but an odd use of language if that's the case.

5.Yeah, she didn't realize he could come back? And? Doesn't mean he's 'stronger' then she though, just that he's able to do something. Doesn't necessarily mean strength, could have been brains, or simple luck.

In any event, more dangerous than she anticipated.

6. Given what was going on, hard to give the details credence when it's all just Tia talking about it. A story about what happened, not seeing the actual events.

Still odd.

That's a lot of assumption to make based on an action like that. She could have had other business to attend to.

Twice in one episode? Convenient.

I'm certain that if something of the magnitude of power that would require the presence of a princess was an immediate threat, they would have taken it into account.

This is Equestria! They have disasters so often, they don't even bother to show us all of them!

Worked faster, yes, but not necessarily during the fight itself. She could simply have meant that if they had launched the attack sooner, they could have stopped him before he placed the curse.

See above.

Given Celly's reaction of urgency when the guard tells her that the Crystal Empire has returned, I'd wager she had anticipated his return would be tied to the Empire.

No. Shining and the Mane Six were surprised. ie. Celestia didn't tell them to expect Sombra.

The Elements don't seem to be a thing that does lethal damage. I'll grant that they might not have known what the Elements would do, though, and were just using whatever force was necessarily to subdue him.

They didn't use the Elements, they were blasting him the way that Twilight was doing to Tirek.

Look, it's possible that you guys are right (hence me saying "implied") but it would be really contrived. The simpler, more logical explanation is that Sombra is more powerful.

EDIT:

Well, he was imprisoned for at least one thousand years, which already gets the point across. Because human minds (and presumably most ponies as well) can't really accurately conceive of passages of time longer than a couple lifespans, whether it was really 1200 years or 4800 years doesn't really matter. One's four times longer than the other, but most people just shorthand both of them to "a really, really, really long time".

Then don't use him as an example of something that happened "a thousand years ago", because it wasn't. People have been talking as if those all happened the same year. ("Must have been a busy year" etc.)

edited 12th May '14 1:47:59 PM by Sereg

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#71669: May 12th 2014 at 1:51:26 PM

The simpler, more logical explanation is that Sombra is more powerful.

And the even simpler solution is that Celestia and Luna believed in No Kill like Overkill and just missed mopping up the residual darkness.

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#71670: May 12th 2014 at 2:05:31 PM

I still want a PHD

Wow, that seems insane to me.

Given all the negative things I hear, it's hard to immagine why anyone would want a PHD.

I'm going by observational evidence.

Funny how your observational evidence always seems at odd with other peoples'.

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#71671: May 12th 2014 at 2:09:28 PM

Twice in one episode? Convenient.
And quite likely. The princesses are political figures too, with duties outside of the military. Or hell, maybe even military duties outside of the capital. She could have been heading external intelligenece operations (to help pinpoint this ambiguous "threat made against Canterlot") or something like that. There's just not enough information given.

This is Equestria! They have disasters so often, they don't even bother to show us all of them!
Which means they should have infrastructure and other preparation that would keep situations that don't have to do with world-ending powers from pulling the princesses in all directions (even in modern Equestria, young, untrained ponies like Twi and her friends get tasked with taking on some pretty tall orders). If something of this magnitude was encroaching at the same time as Sombra, surely we would have heard of it.

No. Shining and the Mane Six were surprised. ie. Celestia didn't tell them to expect Sombra.
Celly has a history of withholding information when she's pushing for certain results, but okay.

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#71672: May 12th 2014 at 2:11:56 PM

Yeah The surprise I'd chalk up to her simply not anticipating him returning. At least for sure. Maybe worried it might have happened, but not sure he was or could.

The rest, as pointed out, yeah tons of disasters, but now many of them end up requiring a Princess to take steps?

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#71673: May 12th 2014 at 2:14:29 PM

I don't see what's crazy about wanting a PHD. I have a masters degree, and all that's gotten me is minimum wage in retail.

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#71674: May 12th 2014 at 2:16:45 PM

Given all the negative things I hear, it's hard to immagine why anyone would want a PHD.

Well, I loved being a student. And getting a job in my field without a Ph D is going to require a miracle.

Funny how your observational evidence always seems at odd with other peoples'.

The people who actually measure this kind of stuff tend to agree with me. But yes, I tend to pay attention to different details than others.

EDIT:[up]Similar to my situation.

EDIT:

And I didn't mean that any other massive power was encroaching. I meant that if any of their numerous enemies realised that both Princesses were out of the capital at the same time, they would likely have used the opportunity to attack.

edited 12th May '14 2:20:10 PM by Sereg

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#71675: May 12th 2014 at 2:19:51 PM

It's only been destroyed for one episode, yet I already miss Twilight's Treehouse home.sad


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