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A thread to discuss My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic and the tie-in media.

All of the usual forum rules apply. In addition, please remember that the thread is discussing a kids' show, and it's primarily focused on the work itself, not the fanfic — in particular, we don't want to see lewdness creeping in.

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I don't know WHAT the Hell happened (I blame shenanigans) but we're going to start from scratch. Post your feels for this awesome show again! Naow!

Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 26th 2024 at 10:24:26 AM

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#71576: May 12th 2014 at 7:09:37 AM

For those asking earlier, sending too much of your force to fight and leaving your home undefended was the mistake Suraman made. Real armies don't do that.

Also, the sisters normally act separately. This is well established. They even rule at different times. It also explains why Luna wasn't at the wedding.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#71577: May 12th 2014 at 7:20:14 AM

Yes, good question. Why Twilight? Why not dump it into a princess with a bit more experience who can use all that magic to drop stellar objects on a bitch

Because the plan was to keep him from finding and getting princess magic, and Twilight's the only one he didn't know about.

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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#71578: May 12th 2014 at 7:35:06 AM

[up]So the plan was to hide their magic with Twilight. . .then what?

SunsetShimmer Superior Princess from Canterlot High Since: Jan, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#71579: May 12th 2014 at 7:40:47 AM

[up]Then lose, knowing them.

The sparkle is gone, see me shimmer on~
KuroiTsubasaTenshi Streamer from Twitch Since: May, 2011
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#71580: May 12th 2014 at 7:43:17 AM

Real armies also aren't normally forced to deploy their national leaders as combat units. Plus, even if both princesses went out to fight, it's likely they'd have at least some portion of their guard (or even the whole of it if only they can pose a significant threat to Sombra) left behind as a home guard (insert jokes about royal guard incompetence here). Unless Sombra himself decided to abandon the Empire and his plans for the Crystal Heart to lead a direct assault, the guard could probably handle whatever mooks he sent their way.

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#71581: May 12th 2014 at 7:50:55 AM

The fact that they're national leaders just makes it even more important that one of them stays at home.

Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#71582: May 12th 2014 at 7:54:59 AM

Okay what are we arguing about now? Was it Celestia's decisions? Cause I already figured out how that works out fine.

It does make at least a bit of sense on the surface, though yeah falls apart if you pick at it a bit and see the flaws. But it's been established both by Word of God, and a lot of things we've seen the Celestia, while not out right prescient does have a rather highly tuned sense of intuition. Tends to have hunches she doesn't fully understand about what she should do, and has learned when to follow them. This was one of those cases. She simply knew giving Twilight their power was what they should do, her explanation wa simply her trying to justify what was little more then a hunch to herself and the other princesses.

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#71583: May 12th 2014 at 7:55:24 AM

If even one of them stayed home, that just makes it more likely Sombra would win and maintain his control of the empire. It's a bit of a gamble, but it was either "stop him now, and hope no one tried to invade us while we're gone" or "stop him later when he's more powerful and has more resources to fight us with." Waiting, against a manipulator like Sombra, is the worse option.

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Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#71584: May 12th 2014 at 8:04:20 AM

Oh both of the going up against Sombra? Why not?

Keep in mind I go with My Little Denarians idea for the role the Royal Guards play in the greater scheme of things with massive threats. Act as crowd control to evacuate the civilians and keep them far enough back not to get caught in the crossfire as the Princesses and/or mane 6 deal with the problem.

Why send only one Princess? If he somehow manged to beat one of them, it would make it harder for the other to beat him. And if he can beat both of them at the same time, when they are the ones choosing when to fight, then they'd be screwed anyway.

edited 12th May '14 8:04:28 AM by Seraphem

KylerThatch literary masochist Since: Jan, 2001
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#71585: May 12th 2014 at 8:05:22 AM

By your powers combined, I am... Captain Equestria?

This "faculty lot" you speak of sounds like a place of great power...
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#71586: May 12th 2014 at 8:18:55 AM

Post of the Day #739

Still don't think the town's Easily Forgiven stance is at all odd, and is in fact perfectly in character for the ponies we know. None of them ever seem to hold onto grudges, and really anypony is willing to forgive another for pretty much anything as long as they own up to there mistake and sincerely apologize.

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#71587: May 12th 2014 at 8:21:42 AM

I think the plan was to have Twilight escape, learn how to use the magic over however long that took, and then eventually return to oust Tirek with that combined might. Giving the magic to anyone else wouldn't have worked; not one of them had yet had that much power, and would require some amount of learning time. Time which they wouldn't have had, because Tirek knew about all three of them.

The plan might have worked, if Celestia had had the foresight to smash the windows.

But then again, Discord would eventually have spilled the beans, I'm sure. If not because of the window, then surely he'd have offered the information at some point, probably if Tirek went on a rant about "the three princesses losing their magic". Or something like that.

[up] how topical!

edited 12th May '14 8:22:22 AM by Enlong

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KylerThatch literary masochist Since: Jan, 2001
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#71588: May 12th 2014 at 8:26:04 AM

Huh. I seriously thought Scorpan was going to be a plot point. Guess not.

[down] Maaaybe?

edited 12th May '14 8:27:12 AM by KylerThatch

This "faculty lot" you speak of sounds like a place of great power...
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#71589: May 12th 2014 at 8:26:31 AM

Surely you're not implying that a classy giant demon shadow centaur monster thing can't have a sharp suit?

Sharp enough to puncture the hull of an imperial battlecruiser?

Real armies don't do that.

Real armies are much more granular.

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#71590: May 12th 2014 at 8:27:18 AM

If even one of them stayed home, that just makes it more likely Sombra would win and maintain his control of the empire. It's a bit of a gamble, but it was either "stop him now, and hope no one tried to invade us while we're gone" or "stop him later when he's more powerful and has more resources to fight us with." Waiting, against a manipulator like Sombra, is the worse option.

The very fact that Celestia believed that you are correct and that Luna was needed for this rather than protecting Equestria means that she believed that Sombra's power was comparable with her own. Present Celestia says that that was an underestimate.

EDIT:

Real armies are much more granular.

Having two grains is enough.

edited 12th May '14 8:29:07 AM by Sereg

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#71591: May 12th 2014 at 8:31:30 AM

"We have got to stop overestimating the effectiveness of turning people into stuff and sealing them away. 1000 years sounds good until you live to see year 1001. That does it. I'm kicking the sealing habit. It's killing and reforming for my enemies, from here on out."

"...probably not in that order, though."

edited 12th May '14 8:32:21 AM by Enlong

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IrishZombie Since: Dec, 2009
#71592: May 12th 2014 at 8:33:00 AM

Here's hoping our next villain isn't another bad guy that got sealed away by the princesses a millennium ago. tongue

Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#71593: May 12th 2014 at 8:34:19 AM

[up][up][up]Is there any any reason why we should believe that she believed that? I see nothing from the episode to suggest that this was anything more then the Sisters doing what they normally do when they see a threat, face it together.

edited 12th May '14 8:34:29 AM by Mio

KylerThatch literary masochist Since: Jan, 2001
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#71594: May 12th 2014 at 8:34:33 AM

Naw, it'll be two millennia ago! That's twice as long!

This "faculty lot" you speak of sounds like a place of great power...
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#71595: May 12th 2014 at 8:35:00 AM

It was probably not exactly a 1000 years anyway.

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#71596: May 12th 2014 at 8:35:49 AM

Haven't they all been, aside from Chrysalis? I think it's fair to say the tradition will continue.

edited 12th May '14 8:36:13 AM by IkeAndMike

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KylerThatch literary masochist Since: Jan, 2001
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#71597: May 12th 2014 at 8:36:57 AM

Now that I think of it, I have to wonder how Scorpan ended up befriending ponies. Sounds like prime fanfic material.

This "faculty lot" you speak of sounds like a place of great power...
Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#71598: May 12th 2014 at 8:44:42 AM

Huh, I think that might have been one of mine. the QOTD

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#71599: May 12th 2014 at 8:46:49 AM

They really had no choice on the national leader front, though, as Celly and Luna are miles above what the guard itself could provide. By your logic, I would argue that one should not half-ass the back-up given to a national leader when she's forced to go out and fight. And again, I find it doubtful that Sombra's mooks (looks like at best, he'd have a conscripted slave army) could pose a threat to the guard, so he'd be the one at the severe tactical disadvantage if he decided to abandon Empire to attack Equestria.

There's also the fact that if the Crystal Heart were filled with darkness and despair, Equestria as a whole would also have been affected by its powers. This was a decisive victory that Celly and Luna needed to make happen. It was a very key location within a key time frame that demanded the full extent of Equestria's might.

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#71600: May 12th 2014 at 8:56:25 AM

@Sereg: Again, you're assuming a lot of stuff that's not directly stated anywhere in the show. There's nothing to indicate that Sombra was more powerful than Celestia thought, and any time a major threat arose while both Princesses were around, they've always been shown double-teaming it. Case in point:

Present Celestia says that that was an underestimate.

No, she doesn't. All she says is that he cursed the empire before they sealed him. He could very well have put a curse on the empire before they ever went to confront him. Their failure to prevent the curse doesn't indicate anything about Sombra's power level relative to the Princesses.

Also, the sisters normally act separately. This is well established. They even rule at different times.

Given we have very little info to go off of, I'd say calling it "well established" is an overstatement. If anything, what we know points to the opposite; they both live in the same city, and the same castle. They're almost always in the same place at the same time. Even in "Canterlot Wedding" where there's a threat, they both hang around Canterlot even when they're on patrol. The reason they switch off day and night isn't a tactical thing; it's because Luna is in charge of the moon. Of course she's going to have to be up at night. As far as I can remember, the only times that they didn't take on a foe together is Chrysalis (and NMM, for obvious reasons), and that's less due to tactics and more that they had no means of waking Luna up.

edited 12th May '14 8:57:04 AM by JapaneseTeeth

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