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A thread to discuss My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic and the tie-in media.

All of the usual forum rules apply. In addition, please remember that the thread is discussing a kids' show, and it's primarily focused on the work itself, not the fanfic — in particular, we don't want to see lewdness creeping in.

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I don't know WHAT the Hell happened (I blame shenanigans) but we're going to start from scratch. Post your feels for this awesome show again! Naow!

Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 26th 2024 at 10:24:26 AM

SunsetShimmer Superior Princess from Canterlot High Since: Jan, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#61876: Mar 29th 2014 at 10:05:49 PM

You know, that tonic isn't apple juice.

The sparkle is gone, see me shimmer on~
IkeAndMike Exists for some reason from Earth Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
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#61877: Mar 29th 2014 at 10:06:28 PM

Quick question for those of you on windows. What program do you use for playing videos? Because VLC is bugging out on me, again.

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#61878: Mar 29th 2014 at 10:06:49 PM

In short, JT meant that there is a version of faith that can have evidence behind it.

Agreed.

What you apparently assert is that nothing has enough evidence to remove it from faith.

Also true with one exception: Cogito ergo sum. I think, therefore I am. This was first made public by Descartes.

That is completely meaningless. Are you saying that knowing 2 + 2 = 4 is an act of faith? How? Because I have to "have faith" in my senses when I put two things next to some other two things?

Yes.

How does merely assuming that prove anything? Why shouldn't I trust that two things next to two other things mean four things?

A hypothetical person without faith wouldn't be able to male that connection.

Unless I'm high or something, not trusting would be a baseless assumption.

Which is why faithlessness is irrational. A faithless person would be incapable of distinguishing between baseless and not baseless.

In other words, thinking that this is an act of faith is an act of faith in itself.

Nope.

A faithless person would be unable to get out of the path of a moving car because they wouldn't be able to tell if it was an illusion designed to trick them into running into the path of an actual, invisible car. They wouldn't even be able to tell which situation was more likely.

A faithless person cannot use Occam's Razor as they are completely incapable of determining likelihood at all.

There are no such people. Such a person would never survive.

If you say that that makes it too broad, well, how about the definition of "breathing"?

It being broad doesn't make it not true.

This is why The Bible says that each person has a small measure of faith. There is no such thing as a person with none. A person without faith would be too irrational to survive.

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#61879: Mar 29th 2014 at 10:10:42 PM

Or at least, I imagine it must be; so much mathematical theory has gone into looking at that thought.

It's more philosophy than math, or the intersection of the two, I guess.

We've had an episode where she realizes she wants friends, and one where that faith is challenged by their friendship falling apart. I wonder how else they can explore he Magic concept.

I've been wondering about that myself. It probably won't involve actual magic as the element though.

You know, that tonic isn't apple juice.

It's made of apples. Well mostly apples.

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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#61880: Mar 29th 2014 at 10:27:00 PM

[up][up]Well I suppose that does make sense.

It doesn't really help that the word "faith" connotes religious and other unfalsifiable ideas.

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#61881: Mar 29th 2014 at 10:28:53 PM

I think this is not the place to continue the discussion.

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#61882: Mar 29th 2014 at 10:40:03 PM

@Sereg

I'm going to answer broadly because debunking each and every point would involve a lot of copypasting.

What you are saying is utterly meaningless. Bruggencate level of meaningless. You are putting everything on the exact same level of meaningless, asserting that absolutely everything requies faith.

No, there aren't invisible cars. And I base it not on belief, but disbelief, which is exact opposite of faith.

Some things can be conclusively proven, some can't. What can though is the laws of logic. Do the laws of logic require faith? How? Because of a baseless assumption of an off-hand chance you made up? I do not believe in that chance. I lack faith in it.

This is how a skeptical mind operates. You say "there are apples with wings out there". I ask you to show those apples. You say "they are invisible". Then I ask how do you know they have wings. You say "I sometimes spot feathers near trees". I say those fell off birds.

Then you say because I haven't witnessed all the birds in the world dropping feathers on every single apple tree means there is a possibility you're right.

But until you actually are right and that invisible flying apple brings some kind of other evidence behind itself, it means nothing.

Lack of faith doesn't equal faith. Some claims are more provable than others, some are downright unprovable or undisprovable, but if something is unprovable/undisprovable doesn't automatically mean it's automatically true or false.

Your crackpotness about everything requiring faith because of some remote cosmic possibility everything we know is wrong is undisprovable, because conclusively disproving it would require omniscense(with mountains of holes omniscence itself has, like "what if there is something you don't know that you don't know" et cetera).

But until you DO have a way to prove it, it means just as much as winged apples.

This is Occam's Razor. Lack of faith. Something isn't, until it is. Calling it faith is is like calling + a -, it renders the word itself pointless.

Bottom line, you cannot prove your argument, and I cannot disprove your argument. But if we all just assume it's true, then what stops us from believing in winged apples? What separates faith from knowledge? In your argument, nothing. Your argument means nothing.

You are not asking profound or philosophical questions here. You are talking about winged apples, which in a skeptical scientific world are entirely useless. Science makes jetpacks, what do winged apples do? Fly, I guess. Poorly.

Conclusion: jetpacks are better than winged apples.

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#61883: Mar 29th 2014 at 10:43:09 PM

Your crackpotness

Could you tone down the language please, or preferably drop the subject altogether? I'm afraid something bad will happen.

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Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#61884: Mar 29th 2014 at 10:50:40 PM

@Story

Does asking to drop the subject ever work? I'm not sure, because right after that the other person makes an argument, then I make an argument to counteract that argument because I can't just let it slide.

Ok, I guess it's me, but still. I'm not convinced Sereg will drop the subject without making a counterargument(you might say I lack faith in such a scenario), and I'm dead on sure I won't.

Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#61886: Mar 29th 2014 at 10:55:53 PM

@Wryte

Of course, because we can always trust racism not to spawn heated discussions on the internet. [lol]

Ok, that is a funny picture though.

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#61887: Mar 29th 2014 at 10:57:44 PM

then I make an argument to counteract that argument because I can't just let it slide.

You just have to resist the temptation. I could have responded to Sereg but decided not to.

It is a pretty funny picture.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#61888: Mar 29th 2014 at 10:59:17 PM

I wonder if there's been any fanart with the main characters as Monster Hunters.

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Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#61889: Mar 29th 2014 at 10:59:52 PM

You just have to resist the temptation. I could have responded to Sereg but decided not to.

The likehood of that happening is right up there with winged apples. I don't have high Will saving throws.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#61890: Mar 29th 2014 at 11:02:05 PM

So is this the point where mod action has to happen? If it cannot end any other way?

Because I really don't want it to be.

edited 29th Mar '14 11:02:47 PM by Enlong

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storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
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#61891: Mar 29th 2014 at 11:02:59 PM

Looks like it's passed now, thankfully.

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#61892: Mar 29th 2014 at 11:03:40 PM

[up][up]Why? It's far less heated than say, a MMDW argument.

Ok, more prone to walls of text, but cooler and smoother walls.(they wear sunglasses)

edited 29th Mar '14 11:03:45 PM by Luminosity

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#61893: Mar 29th 2014 at 11:07:26 PM

Guess it's a good time to bring up something unrelated. When I rewatched Cider Squeezy today in preparation, I noticed that they said cent, so I guess it's confirmed that bits are divided into 100 like dollars. At least the currency system makes a bit more sense than assuming bit was the least unit.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#61894: Mar 29th 2014 at 11:07:46 PM

Well, if it is ending, that's fine. It's just that sentiments along the lines of it's not going to stop worry me. MMDW debates tend to burn out after enough time.

edited 29th Mar '14 11:08:30 PM by Enlong

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IrishZombie Since: Dec, 2009
#61895: Mar 29th 2014 at 11:11:41 PM

[up][up]That, or one bit is exactly 12 and a half cents.

edited 29th Mar '14 11:11:48 PM by IrishZombie

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#61896: Mar 29th 2014 at 11:25:53 PM

That, or one bit is exactly 12 and a half cents.

How does that make any sense?

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IrishZombie Since: Dec, 2009
#61897: Mar 29th 2014 at 11:31:07 PM

Because in real life, "two bits" used to mean 25 cents. So one bit would be 12 1/2 cents.

Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#61898: Mar 29th 2014 at 11:37:49 PM

So 8 bits is 100 cents?

Sounds like a pretty impractical currency.

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#61900: Mar 29th 2014 at 11:40:10 PM

Huh, so a bit = a Piece of Eight?

Arrrrrrrr.

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