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A thread to discuss My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic and the tie-in media.

All of the usual forum rules apply. In addition, please remember that the thread is discussing a kids' show, and it's primarily focused on the work itself, not the fanfic — in particular, we don't want to see lewdness creeping in.

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I don't know WHAT the Hell happened (I blame shenanigans) but we're going to start from scratch. Post your feels for this awesome show again! Naow!

Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 26th 2024 at 10:24:26 AM

Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#61851: Mar 29th 2014 at 8:52:42 PM

I don't see how the video makes a case for science being based on faith. Take that whole bit on Pythagoras and the fifth postulate. About how scientist had faith that it was true, but then found out, no it wasn't.

Except yes it WAS true. It is perfectly valid, and completely provably true. But as said, only applies when talking about a two dimensional plane. It wasn't faith in it being true, it was proving it as being a fact and true. That it did not apply to curved or other three dimensional areas doesn't make it any less true, simply limited to only being true for two-dimensional plane. No faith needed, it was all provable fact.

And then about how we needed faith that the new postulates chosen to replace them were true, again, no, it wasn't faith that they were true, it was proving to ourselves they were true. Proving them, to the best of our ability, to be true. While yes, knowing that it was possible our ability to test them was hampered by some information we did not have.

So yeah I don't see how any of that is based on faith.

and " it comes with a pre-conditioned idea" yeah, that applies to ALL words, period. The "pre-concieved idea" of what it is, is called the definition. Without having that, language and communication are impossible.

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#61852: Mar 29th 2014 at 8:55:58 PM

Ah. I think I see what's going on. You're using an extremely narrow definition of "faith." What's more, it's become a buzzword for you, and just like all buzzwords, it comes with a pre-conditioned idea and automatic response that has nothing to do with the content and context in which the word was used in the first place.

Like I said, Personal Dictionary. And I've seen quite a few people use it like that.

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#61853: Mar 29th 2014 at 8:56:59 PM

[up][up]You know, I could touch that, but I'm not going to. I already know how it would go and there's no point. I'll just say I disagree very much with your train of thought and leave it at that.

edited 29th Mar '14 8:57:10 PM by CDRW

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#61855: Mar 29th 2014 at 8:58:54 PM

I have faith that I can fly.tongue

...Ok, I'll stop.

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Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#61856: Mar 29th 2014 at 8:59:59 PM

But yeah like JT said, 'Faith' is such a broad word, that without first coming to agreement on just what constitutes faith, anything else regarding it is impossible.

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#61857: Mar 29th 2014 at 9:07:53 PM

So I just finished watching the Extra Credits video, and while it's technically true, it's not really meaningful. It's mostly just stating the obvious, and possibly missing the point.

And for what it's worth Einstein was kind of right. There are deterministic models of Qunatum Physics.

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#61858: Mar 29th 2014 at 9:14:57 PM

Fun episode, and I do like the flashbacks to Granny Smith's youth. And general retro feel, with the whole Flim Flam song and dance and so on

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Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#61859: Mar 29th 2014 at 9:16:15 PM

Yeah, Granny proves that being an utter badass runs in the Apple Family.

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#61860: Mar 29th 2014 at 9:17:18 PM

Granny has a real Expansion Pack Past going on.

And now I must go to bed.

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#61861: Mar 29th 2014 at 9:18:34 PM

Well she's got plenty of time to fit more backstory into.

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#61862: Mar 29th 2014 at 9:21:19 PM

Seems to me that FPK was more about trusting one's friends, and being open to new ideas.

It's just that stuff got worded real poorly, to the point that people basically took the inverse idea from the episode.

edited 29th Mar '14 9:25:14 PM by Enlong

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#61863: Mar 29th 2014 at 9:21:26 PM

Faith by definition irrational and hinges on lies more often than most. That's the point of faith, you don't know if it works, but you believe it does. Okay, this isn't strictly related to the episode, but this is just something that irks me: way too many people assume that "Faith = dogmatic belief in the absence of evidence" when that isn't actually the case. It can mean that, but it can also be used to refer to trust or having faith in a person, which can indeed be based on previous knowledge of them. It isn't empirical knowledge, but it does come from previous experiences with other people. Granted, that's probably not the kind of faith that the show is about, but I feel compelled to point out that "absence of evidence" is not necessarily an aspect of faith.

Thank you! It's a Beserk Button for me too! Faith is about deciding to believe (or believe in) something. It's accuracy and the amount of evidence already accumulated is irrelevent. Faith is something necessary to actually do anything. Sitting down on a chair without quintuple checking each individual screw is an act of faith (except that if you quintuple checked, it would still be an act of faith as you could have theoretically hextuple checked etc).

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#61864: Mar 29th 2014 at 9:24:04 PM

The belief that what we can observe is accurate is also an example. There will always be things in a system which are known to be true, but cannot be proven within the system.

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#61865: Mar 29th 2014 at 9:29:25 PM

The thing is that if you define faith that broadly, it isn't really a useful concept to discuss. Things are defined as much by what they are not as what they are.

Or to paraphrase Syndrome, when everything is faith, nothing is.

edited 29th Mar '14 9:30:32 PM by storyyeller

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#61866: Mar 29th 2014 at 9:32:17 PM

Should these be our sane pony thread posts? Or maybe the Scientific Pony Thread posts.

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#61867: Mar 29th 2014 at 9:34:40 PM

So what do you define faith as, then?

And I kind of do think that it defined as having postulates that cannot be proven within the system, but are believed to be true in order to define the system, is definitely a useful topic to discuss.

Or at least, I imagine it must be; so much mathematical theory has gone into looking at that thought.

edited 29th Mar '14 9:36:53 PM by Enlong

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#61868: Mar 29th 2014 at 9:38:51 PM

Is this going to be a flame war? Should I grab the popcorn?tongue

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#61869: Mar 29th 2014 at 9:40:39 PM

Faith is something necessary to actually do anything. Sitting down on a chair without quintuple checking each individual screw is an act of faith (except that if you quintuple checked, it would still be an act of faith as you could have theoretically hextuple checked etc).

What is the point of that? Seriously, what is the point of that? JT didn't mean that. He meant that there is more than one kind of faith, trust in a person based on what you know about them. It can overlap with the other kind of faith(belief in a baseless assumption) if you don't know that much about them, but it doesn't have to.

In short, JT meant that there is a version of faith that can have evidence behind it. What you apparently assert is that nothing has enough evidence to remove it from faith.

That is completely meaningless. Are you saying that knowing 2 + 2 = 4 is an act of faith? How? Because I have to "have faith" in my senses when I put two things next to some other two things? How does merely assuming that prove anything? Why shouldn't I trust that two things next to two other things mean four things? Unless I'm high or something, not trusting would be a baseless assumption. In other words, thinking that this is an act of faith is an act of faith in itself. You are descending into serious pseudo-philosophical bullshit here, you know.

edited 29th Mar '14 9:41:25 PM by Luminosity

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#61870: Mar 29th 2014 at 9:43:36 PM

[up][up]

...well, I was about to say "no"...

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JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#61871: Mar 29th 2014 at 9:46:32 PM

Sheesh, all I'm saying is this: "faith" is not inherently irrational or without evidence. You can have reasons for having faith in something. My only point was that it's incorrect to equate having faith in something or someone with believing for no reason. I wasn't talking about axiomatic knowledge or anything like that, just noting that having reasons for believing something to be the case doesn't disqualify that belief from being faith.

Also that the term is so nebulous that discussing it is kinda pointless.

So let's just drop it before it gets any more heated. Be distracted.

And now I'm going to bed for real.

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IrishZombie Since: Dec, 2009
#61872: Mar 29th 2014 at 9:50:33 PM

George Michael, save us!

Dammit, George!

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#61873: Mar 29th 2014 at 10:00:28 PM

First the homestuck thread, now this. Geez.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#61874: Mar 29th 2014 at 10:02:30 PM

*koff*

So, I wonder what Twilight's key episode will be?

We've had an episode where she realizes she wants friends, and one where that faith is challenged by their friendship falling apart. I wonder how else they can explore he Magic concept.

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