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Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 26th 2024 at 10:24:26 AM
@Marston
Short answer - it didn't. Slightly less short answer - it's still a stupid decision.
Long answer:
There is no real reason not to keep Two-Face's crimes to himself. That is, the movie hasn't shown a reason. It just tells you that Harvey Dent is this apparently awesome fellow who is somehow supposed to be more effective than Batman. Nothing about his super-anti-crime activity is shown, all he did in the movie is yell at a mafia underling once. While one of the few things in the movie shown is Batman actually fighting crime.
The movie has shown no reason why Gotham can't survive the fall of Harvey Dent. He's just an official, the city is used to corrupt officials. If anything, it'd be unreasonable for the city to even trust Harvey Dent so much exactly because there has been nothing but corrupt officials and Gordon. I do not see any evidence that would support this unreasonable faith that would destroy the city if Dent is outed as a criminal.
On the other hand, Batman was the one who pulled the city from the ground and gave Gotham city hope that someone out there will fight the criminals and the corrupt officials, a hero outside the system who held all their trust. And for him to suddenly turn out evil - that would cripple and destroy Gotham more than any prosecutor, no matter how effective.
If anything, the movie has shown that he's not that effective at all and he still had to ask Batman for help when one of the mafia bosses escaped the country.
edited 20th Feb '14 1:52:32 PM by Luminosity
I'd argue that Primer mostly relied on dialog and it was awesome.
P.S. It just occured to me that Primer is basically Hipster Inception.
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Did you miss the part where he single-handedly indited like three-hundred mafia goons at once? The entire point of his character was that he had to be incorruptible, or all of those convictions would be overturned. The entire plan hinged on him being the one incorruptible lawyer who could legitimately convict the members of organized crime in the city, so when he went bad, they had to cover it up or risk releasing pretty much all of them.
The reason Batman could be sacrificed instead is because he was basically just muscle; he has no legal authority to imprison or convict anyone. He can crack heads, but not fix the fact that Gotham's system is corrupted. That was what he needed Dent for.
edited 20th Feb '14 1:54:22 PM by JapaneseTeeth
Reaction Image RepositoryThe arguments seemed pretty convincing to me. I guess this is just one place where we'll have to agree to disagree.
Actually it was. He successfully prosecuted like 700 mobsters. But he was even more important as a symbol.
Blind Final Fantasy 6 Let's Playanyone else have trouble understanding Bane in The Dark Knight Rises? i don't mean his motives; i mean i couldn't make out half of the things he said.
Yeah, on occasion, the accent and weirdness made it a bit tough to figure him out.
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The keyword is shown. He wasn't shown doing any anti-crime activity, all the viewer had to rely on is talking(that scene with him, mayor, and Gordon discussing it, if I remember correctly).
And there is no reason to believe they would have been released if Dent was outed. Have there actually been legal cases where everyone jailed by a prosecutor got released because they went nuts later?
Even then, that possibility isn't shown or even discussed either, and the later movie also ignores it. At least, Gordon doesn't even think of it when he attempts to confess.
And even if this argument applies, wouldn't it be the same for Batman? Wouldn't mobsters caught with assistance of "evil Batman" had to be released because then the police willingly worked with a psycho?
Well, there was the courtroom scene where... a guy pulled a gun on him, which I'm fairly certain would have clinched his guilt even if Dent hadn't been able to make a good case.
The thing is though, his turning evil wouldn't have been bad because the bad guys were released, it would have been bad because it would have effectively been a neon sign that says, "The system doesn't work, go wild". A lot of issues happen because people don't trust the system to keep them safe and take matters into their own hands, only making things worse. Or they don't believe the system will be effective in stopping them, or things like that. Dent's effectiveness proved the systems effectiveness. The fact that he was unbuyable also worked as a sign that there were people worth putting faith in, and that being a good, honest person does get rewarded sometimes.
Not that his going evil and crazy would have really invalidated any of that since, you know... evil and crazy. So I'm kinda in the middle there, I guess?
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But then it's too late. The whole "system works and good deeds are rewarded" crumbles down when Dent is murdered in the first place, along with his fiancee. Especially if Batman is pinned. It sends a message "No matter how good, pure, or effective you are at cleaning this mess, it'll ultimately get you nothing but misery and death, and even those who worked outside the system to save Gotham will betray and destroy you".
I had trouble understanding him a lot too.
By the time it's relevant, they have much bigger issues on their hands.
They were actually shown in court.
Apart from the fact that it was repeatedly stated?
Blind Final Fantasy 6 Let's PlayI'm referring to the confession Gordon made and almost went through with.
You mean one of them who pulled the gun on Dent?
When? The only place it could have possibly been stated is at the very end after Dent is dealt with, maybe once, and I don't remember it being there.
edited 20th Feb '14 2:31:11 PM by Luminosity
Here, present this as evidence! *Hands Star a Pinkie Pie.*
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FE: New Mystery Only Feet 7PM PT Sun, Mon, Fri; Umamusume Haru Arima 7PM PT Wed, Thurs: http://www.twitch.tv/kuroitsubasatenshiWho's seen the Ace Attorney movie? It's interesting how they managed to completely change the tone despite having largely the same story.
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@Story I still haven't. Might get around to it at some point if I want to that is. Speaking of Ace Attorney on a more serious note I've actually FINALLY got Trials and tribulations going. Well past the first case that is and have already started on the second.
edited 20th Feb '14 2:53:44 PM by Starscream759
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He wasn't just any lawyer. He was the lawyer who pretty much single handedly brought the entire crime mob to jail. Harvey Dent was the one who showed Gotham that the system could actually work. Obviously, it wouldn't have been possible without Batman, but Batman was a morally ambgious vigilante. IT's not the same kind of thing.
But regardless, the sheer scale of the plot holes in Rises makes it difficult to top.
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