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Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 26th 2024 at 10:24:26 AM
Yeah, and I can see Pinkie freaking out when she realizes how badly she messed up. She's nothing if not well intentioned, but she sucks at realizing that what others enjoy isn't always what she enjoys.
Reaction Image RepositoryHey, if they did that, then I think everyone would calm down about it.
Provided it sticks.
Except Pinkie Pride of course
Blind Final Fantasy 6 Let's Play@J Teeth: It doesn't help that things usually work out to where she doesn't suffer consequences from anyone else in the end. You could make the argument that in the end of some of her episodes (A Fi D) her behavior is rather enforced rather then learning to mitigate it.
Meh, Rainbow Power made her do it.
edited 18th Feb '14 7:44:47 AM by Mio
They just need to find a zone where Pinkie can be Pinkie without irritating folks.
AJ and Pinkie seem to have opposing problems in that AJ is written in less interesting ways when whole episodes are devoted to her, and Pinkie tends to be more well-rounded and... human when an episode is all about her. AFID... not so much, I'll agree.
edited 18th Feb '14 7:47:54 AM by edvedd
Visit my Tumblr! I may say things. The Bureau ProjectTo be fair, Pinkie's worst episodes were "Luna Eclipsed," "A Friend In Deed," and "Filli Vanilli." Now I understand she can be Innocently Insensitive, but some episodes show she has her limits.
I'd list LE and AFID. I found her more tolerable in FV, though she was admittedly still pretty insensitive.
Blind Final Fantasy 6 Let's Play@Mio: That's exactly why I don't like the end of AFID; it let Pinkie get away with it. At least this episode showed the other cast members getting mad at her over it.
I think she was at her worst in AFID. I honestly don't think she was that bad in LE because until the end she had no clue that Luna wasn't being scary on purpose. And given Luna's entrance, I don't think it was that unfounded of an assumption that Luna wanted to terrify everyone, so Pinkie acted accordingly.
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The problem is that people tend to forget that a character's overall personality is based on the entirety of the show up to that point rather than just the most recent episode.
But really I think the main issue with Pinkie isn't necessarily her insensitivity. The problem is that out of the entire cast, she's probably the least self-aware. All the other characters are similarly flawed, but most of them recognize their own flaws, whereas Pinkie never seems to get it. And it doesn't help that she's arguably the most flawed cast member due to her childlike tendencies.
edited 18th Feb '14 8:03:19 AM by JapaneseTeeth
Reaction Image RepositoryThank you.! I find it annoying how some fans base a character's personality off of one episode or incident, and ignore/forget their Character Development.
What made me upset with Pinkie was how she admitted to pretending to be afraid of Luna. Had Pinkie been genuinely afraid of Luna an apologized for ruining her night, then her actions would have been understandable.
edited 18th Feb '14 8:11:06 AM by MsCC93
See, the thing is that until Luna explicitly told her otherwise, Pinkie thought that she was trying to be scary. Her train of thought was "Holy Crap! Luna showed up with thunder and bat ponies and a black cloak in order to terrify everypony! I better act scared!" Yes, she was pretending to be terrified, but she had no reason to believe she wasn't supposed to be doing that.
edited 18th Feb '14 8:19:13 AM by JapaneseTeeth
Reaction Image RepositoryThis is the crux of it. It's what makes her character seem worse then it likely is, and what makes her character development. . .disingenuous.
Yeah, she really needs an episode that features her learning that she can't be funny all the time and occasionally needs to act serious. It would do wonders for her character development.
Reaction Image RepositoryThe moral of Luna Eclipsed was a big "Wait, what?" moment for me.
I put my friend in a coconut! He lives in my hat! Hey, come hang out!Yeah, the end of that episode didn't make any sense. It was like "Oh no everyone is scared of Luna! Therefore she must... be scary... on purpose..." and that somehow solved the problem. That's the one issue with an otherwise spectacular episode.
Reaction Image RepositoryOn a very different subject, I realized something about Discord and his relationship with Princess Twilight. He's the one who is the most likely to bring up the subject that, yes, Twilight is a princess now, and challenge her with "do you think you're better than others because of it?" It made me wonder if Discord being someone who could give these bluntly honest kind of questions to Twilight might have been part of the reason that Celestia wanted him to be released and tamed, so that Twilight would learn how to deal with those who might think she's a snob or simply how to deal with those who are obnoxious but she can't get rid of them (such as snooty nobles like Prince Blueblood).
Not that Celestia would have released Discord for that reason alone, but I was thinking that it might have been a factor because Discord is someone who would be able to say things to Twilight that she might need to get used to hearing from other ponies, things that her friends wouldn't say to her because they're her friends and are used to thinking of her as such. And also situations like in Twilight Time where Twilight has to deal with other ponies using their connection with her to boost their own social status, as well as possibly dealing with snobs like Diamond Tiara.
I also think that rather than needing Discord's magic (although she may have also wanted to study it, having been a teacher of magic I would guess that Celestia might be interested in magical studies herself), Celestia may have also wanted Discord to be tamed so that the Elements of Harmony wouldn't be needed to keep him in check in case they were to disappear. I don't remember if she knew that they would be needed to be taken back to the Tree of Harmony, but she may have noticed that its magic was weakening and wanted to make sure that Discord wouldn't be a threat if they did have to give up the Elements for any reason.
Luna Eclipsed- despite being a Luna episode, the ending really bothered me. Luna is having difficulty connecting with her subjects after 1000 years because she keeps scaring them. And the solution is to scare them more, on purpose. How will they interact with Luna the other 364 days of the year if she comes for a visit?
http://h0useb0und.tumblr.com/Again, I see no evidence of this.
No, I can’t. But Pinkie didn’t display any good intentions at all. And she was too lazy, negligent and inconsiderate to try find out what the problem was and fix it.
She also never asked after they told her. Ignorance is understandable. Wilful ignorance is infuriating.
Except that she clearly demonstrated that she did have a concept of stage fright and even if she didn’t, it would be her responsibility to find out.
She didn’t have to. All she had to do was ask. She didn’t even do that. No effort. None at all. I respect a desire to be a better person. I see none of that here.
That’s not the problem. She ignored her responsibility to try.
The problem isn’t ignorance but wilful ignorance and lack of effort.
Again, I see no evidence of this.
I forgive everyone. I also recognise that some people are not safe to be around.
Agreed. Pinkie should have asked for it. She didn’t.
I said that she’s a horrible person. Not a horrible character. They’re different. For example, Chrysalis is a better character, but a worse person.
Again, she didn’t. Ask. I’m not asking for perfection. I’m asking for effort. That’s why I appreciated her in A Friend in Deed.
Exactly. That’s my problem with her. Cranky and the Cake twins are the two notable exceptions. Ah! Storyyeller has mentioned Pinkie Pride as another good exception. Note that these are all episodes where I love Pinkie.
EDIT: The thing is, she goes, "Oh! I upset Fluttershy! Instead of finding out how to fix this, I won't bother!"
edited 18th Feb '14 8:46:44 AM by Sereg
@ Luminosity: I don't really know what Q is like because I've never watched Star Trek. If you mean a Trickster Mentor or a Stealth Mentor, possibly. I would imagine that it would have been a secondary motivation, though, having Discord tamed in case something happens to the Elements would probably be a bigger concern for Celestia. I just noted that Discord is the one who tends to challenge Twilight with questions about how she feels about being a princess and how that affects her relationship to other ponies.
If Celestia and Luna were not always the rulers, and that seems to be the case, given the Hearth's Warming Eve play, perhaps they may have once been ordinary ponies who had to learn the hard way that some ponies might be jealous of them or accuse them of being snobs. And also because Celestia wouldn't want Twilight to lose the ability to keep her friends as her equals and so it's good for Twilight to have someone who reminds her to not be a snob, even if it's in the most obnoxious way possible.
@Rainbow: That's definitely an interesting way of looking at it. I'm not sure how intentional it was on Celestia's part, but the fact that Discord continually brings up the princess thing when everyone else seems to ignore it raises some interesting questions.
@Sereg: All I'm going to say is that while she's horribly insensitive sometimes, I just can't consider Pinkie a horrible person. For that she'd need to be actively malicious, and she most definitely isn't. And yeah, while it would've been smart for her to ask what she did wrong, the fact that she didn't just shows how oblivious she is. Like I said before, it goes back to her lack of self-awareness; she can't ask for help with a problem that she doesn't realize she has. At that point, the other characters need to step in and help her, because she simply can't get on the right track herself.
I don't think this is quite how it played out. As Kegisak as pointed out, she does try to fix it, she just gets it wrong and makes it worse. And since there are only two scenes where she does it, we don't know what she would've done after the fact. My point is that you're making it out like she's refusing to seek help, whereas I think it's more the case that she doesn't know she needs it. It's not "I won't bother trying to fix this", it's "I must not have done it right the first time so I'll try again". Which is still wrong, but not for that reason.
edited 18th Feb '14 8:52:05 AM by JapaneseTeeth
Reaction Image RepositoryLike I said, the evidence that Pinkie was trying to make Fluttershy feel better is giggle at the Ghostly - she responds to fear by laughing at it, and trying to make light of it. When Rarity told her not to be silly she claimed to be good at it, implying it was intentional, implying she was trying to make light of the situation - to remove the fear.
Also, when admonished both times her first exclamation was, "What!?" - implying she wanted to know what she had done wrong. The episode simply didn't have time to go into actually teaching her the problem, because that wasn't the focus of it. She did express a desire to figure out what she had done wrong, but wasn't provided with it.
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This episode and the Friend In Deed episode are ones where Pinkie Pie needs a long severe and stern talking to.
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