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Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 26th 2024 at 10:24:26 AM
@Japanese Teeth: You know a lot of that stuff just seems to boil down to Depending on the Writer, or Characterization Marches On for Pinkie. No real need to try to reconcile I think.
That's also true, but I know from experience that Sereg tends to take a very Watsonian viewpoint. Personally I agree; it's just a case of the writing pushing it a bit too far.
On the other hand, people don't always behave the same way in real life, so having different writers actually lends a bit of realism.
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Visit my Tumblr! I may say things. The Bureau ProjectFiction must be more consistent; Reality doesn't have to make sense until science gets involved :P
edited 18th Feb '14 7:00:45 AM by AceOfScarabs
The three finest things in life are to splat your enemies, drive them from their turf, and hear their lamentations as their rank falls!I just find it amusing that everybody just accepts stuff like Pinkie being able walk on walls or inflate her head and float away, but if she acts a little more insensitive than usual (in a way that's completely in character), everyone loses their minds.
@Ed: Maybe it'll involve the local pear salesponies.
@Ace: Well, she's been everything else this season. Dragons next perhaps?
edited 18th Feb '14 7:02:57 AM by edvedd
Visit my Tumblr! I may say things. The Bureau ProjectRealism is "Bob is acting weird because of some extenuating circumstances" not "Bob is acting weird for no (in-universe) reason". That being said, I'm usually willing to allow some tolerance for out-of-universe reasons.
I'm willing to accept all the given explanations for Pinkie's behavior from an in-universe perspective, but I still reserve the right to be displeased with how the scene was written. I dunno. I guess I'm just intolerant of shenanigans when there are feelings getting hurt.
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I see no evidence of anything of the sort. Who’s using headcanon now?
Except she explicitly spelled out the problem and was called out on it and made no effort to stop, let alone fix it.
My problem isn't that it makes no sense or that it's Out of Character. It's unfortunately in-character. My problem is that it's the most compelling evidence I have so far for my hypothesis that Pinkie is a horrible pony.
Yosh, how's everypony doin'?
I'm in the middle of watchin' Filli Vanilli right now, I wonder if Applejack and Big Macintosh talk like that all the time or if AJ is just really smart and perceptive or both.
EDIT: AH!
AAAAAHHHH!
HOW IS PINKIE DOING THAT
edited 18th Feb '14 7:19:54 AM by MousaThe14
The Blog The Art@Mousa: I'd say AJ picked up enough hints to piece things together rapidly.
@Sereg: 'Inconsistently written enough to be occasionally irritating' is about as far as I'm willing to go on that hypothesis.
edited 18th Feb '14 7:24:31 AM by edvedd
Visit my Tumblr! I may say things. The Bureau Project@Sereg: I think the problem here is that you aren't recognizing Pinkie's methods. Pinkie's big character introduction was basically to point out that she considers the best way to overcome fears is to laugh them off. I think that's what she's trying to do for Fluttershy - get her to laugh at her fears by playing them up to the point they become silly. This doesn't work, obviously, but because Pinkie doesn't have the emotional connection to Stagefright the way Fluttershy does, she has no way of understanding just what she was doing.
She did try to adjust her approach - by going further. She had no way of knowing that her plan would never work, but it's the only plan she knows. She was only trying to make Fluttershy feel better, she was just... bad at it.
I don't think you can call someone who's well-intentioned, but ignorant a bad person, really. You can try to inform them of the right way, but it's not like anypony stopped to try and explain to Pinkie why joking was a bad idea here. With no conception of Stage fright there was simply no way she was going to figure it out on her own, so while she's certainly not free from the consequences of her actions she's hardly a terrible person for not being able to overcome her own inherent thought process, any more than you're a terrible person for not being able to understand her.
Ignorance isn't the same as malice. Pinkie did a bad thing, but she did it for a good reason, and I think that warrants forgiveness. It simply also warrants like, sensitivity training, maybe.
Birthright: an original web novel about Dragons, the Burdens of Leadership, and Mangoes.@Sereg: We'll have to agree to disagree then, because honestly it's mostly an interpretive issue. It's pretty much well established that Pinkie thinks differently from other ponies, and while it isn't spelled out explicitly, I think Kegisak's summary is a pretty natural conclusion to draw from the information that we're given. We know that Pinkie loves the spotlight and that she has trouble looking at things from other characters' perspectives, so it's a matter of putting two and two together and saying that this is just a particularly extreme case.
But honestly, I think the most logical explanation is simple: The writers needed someone to vocalize Fluttershy's fears for a young audience without much firsthand experience, and sacrificed Pinkie's sensitivity to do so. Not the best way of handling things, but I don't think it's a basis for saying she's a horrible character. She's insensitive, and wasn't written well this episode.
Yeah, if anything my complaint is more that no one ever tried to sit Pinkie down and explain why what she did made Fluttershy miserable. She recognized that she screwed up the first time, and just didn't know how to fix it, and without anyone to explain it to her, she made it worse. If anything, it's the rest of the cast's fault for not pulling Pinkie aside after the first incident and telling her not to do that because it makes Fluttershy uncomfortable. Pinkie's default response to anything painful is to try to defang it by making light of it. And it just doesn't work here.
edited 18th Feb '14 7:37:45 AM by JapaneseTeeth
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And yeah, the Safari Zone is going to ruin them.
edited 18th Feb '14 6:39:33 AM by JapaneseTeeth
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