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A thread to discuss My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic and the tie-in media.

All of the usual forum rules apply. In addition, please remember that the thread is discussing a kids' show, and it's primarily focused on the work itself, not the fanfic — in particular, we don't want to see lewdness creeping in.

     Original OP text 
I don't know WHAT the Hell happened (I blame shenanigans) but we're going to start from scratch. Post your feels for this awesome show again! Naow!

Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 26th 2024 at 10:24:26 AM

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#44927: Feb 2nd 2014 at 8:22:50 AM

Huge amounts of What Could Have Been concerning Lauren and Meghan's differing plans for the show.

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NESgamer190 Since: Sep, 2012
#44928: Feb 2nd 2014 at 8:24:04 AM

@Ike: Well, happy birthday to ya pardner.

@Mio: Heavens.

Wish I had something else to say, but I unfortunately do not.

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#44929: Feb 2nd 2014 at 8:26:53 AM

Anyone have a link to the actual text?

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#44930: Feb 2nd 2014 at 8:28:45 AM

Well it's a whole bunch of Reddit posts pasted into one image.

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#44931: Feb 2nd 2014 at 8:28:56 AM

Finally caught "Pinkie Pride" this morning. Some thoughts:

Haha, so much Pinkiedash ship teasing.

The way everypony gets swept up into Cheese Sandwich's spiel and forgets Pinkie? More evidence for Sereg’s theory that ponies have almost no collective long-term memory.

And Derpy stuck her face in the fondue pot because she had to pull out an extradimensional creature that was drowning in the chocolate.

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#44932: Feb 2nd 2014 at 8:36:56 AM

Twilight Time?

KylerThatch literary masochist Since: Jan, 2001
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#44933: Feb 2nd 2014 at 8:37:36 AM

Too long, didn't read the rest of it. But the phrase "Full Metal Alchemist-style direction" caught my attention.

This "faculty lot" you speak of sounds like a place of great power...
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#44934: Feb 2nd 2014 at 8:43:23 AM

Dark- it's a discussion of the fact that Lauren Faust had some very different ideas about the show would have gone. Unless there's a reboot, there's no way to really reconcile it with anything that happened since she left after season 2.

Most of what she was actually planning is left unsaid. However, there is a hint that Celestia and Luna would have died/left somehow, only to come back later, kinda like Obi Wan or Gandalf.

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#44935: Feb 2nd 2014 at 8:43:49 AM

Haha, so much Pinkiedash ship teasing.

Really? Didn't notice that at all. Of course, nothing can top Wonderbolts Academy.

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#44936: Feb 2nd 2014 at 8:46:45 AM

But the phrase "Full Metal Alchemist-style direction" caught my attention.
Dude wasn't comparing the plot of FIM to Full Metal Alchemist, but pointing out that Lauren's vision of the show's end are now impossible to reconcile with what's happening in season 3 and 4, without a bunch of retcons or outright contradictions. So if Lauren's plan were to be animated, it would be an alternate continuity, much like the situation between the first Full Metal Alchemist anime and Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood.

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#44937: Feb 2nd 2014 at 8:57:06 AM

Most of the post was old news, talking about how Lauren had a very different vision for the show, that it'd be darker and more adventure focused, etc. Only one of the posts had any specific details.

  • The Everfree Forest expanding was originally planned to be a slow, mysterious, and growing threat over the course of the series, rather than a sudden event that quickly got dealt with
  • Cadance wasn't supposed to be an alicorn
  • Lauren didn't like reforming villians. Presumably this means that Discord and Trixie would have stayed evil. She said that "Trixie had the potential to become a very significant villian".
  • Comparing The Best Night Ever and Sweet and Elite to Twilight's coronation and Games Pony Play: "Keen eyes will notice a stark difference; where before there was a sort of contempt and mockery of high society culture, now there is indulgence and outright celebration."
  • The Everfree was originally a lot more hardcore. "Things like a silly camping trip are pretty implausible in the original vision; The Everfree would have bucked them sideways"
  • Some of Lauren's ideas were dark enough that she wasn't sure if she'd be able to get away with them.
  • We'll probably never know what was originally planned, or at least not until after the show is over. But suffice to say that as of Season 3, it's gone down a completely different path.

edited 2nd Feb '14 9:00:15 AM by storyyeller

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#44938: Feb 2nd 2014 at 8:58:24 AM

Aww, I was hoping for secret conspiracies and elaborate, world-spanning schemes. tongue

This "faculty lot" you speak of sounds like a place of great power...
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#44939: Feb 2nd 2014 at 9:00:51 AM

I haven't seen either. I've heard the second anime was a lot better but the intro was rushed due to wanting to not spend too much time retreading the same ground.

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#44940: Feb 2nd 2014 at 9:02:29 AM

Thanks story, I skipped that section assuming it wasn't important. I should stop doing that.

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#44941: Feb 2nd 2014 at 9:02:48 AM

interesting. Sounds like she was intending to bring in G1's darker tone, all be it more slowly.

I do have to wonder if that would have been a good thing or not. if the pilot's anything to go by, they could have been really rushed, and we'd miss out on the quieter, character-focused slice of life episodes, or at least wouldn't have had nearly as many.

Though vastly different situations, speaking as a G1 fan it could have used less adventure and more character development, so I have to wonder if the more action would have impeded that.

edited 2nd Feb '14 9:10:31 AM by darkabomination

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#44942: Feb 2nd 2014 at 9:09:36 AM

It certainly would have been interesting, though really I can't say I mind it having drifted away from there.

Still, perhaps someday we might get a G4.5 that runs more along with Fausts ideas. A sort of My Little Pony: Brotherhood is Magic type deal.

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#44943: Feb 2nd 2014 at 9:13:17 AM

Hmmm, everything seems fine except for the hints towards Celestia and Luna's death. That doesn't sit right with me for some reason...

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#44944: Feb 2nd 2014 at 9:16:28 AM

Also have to wonder if the goddess angle would have stuck. I kind of lean towards the yes, seeing how Cadence was supposed to be a unicorn, meaning Celestia and Luna would have stayed unique. Plus, if they'd been treated more like Yoda, it would have kept their special status inline with the creation myth presentation we got in the beginning.

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#44945: Feb 2nd 2014 at 9:17:31 AM

One thing frustrates me about discussions of Lauren Faust's vision: So many people have an unspoken assumption that, if Faust had just stayed on the show, her ideas would have been faithfully transmitted and everything would have been awesome. But this doesn't make sense when we consider how Lauren's ideas got mangled even when she was on the show. It was supposed to have more adventure episodes (not all adventures episodes as some have claimed, but more than we got) but they wrote slice-of-life episodes because those were easier to make on a demanding schedule. Cadance was supposed to be a unicorn, but was an alicorn instead because toys. The guy posting this info on Reddit outright says that some of Faust's plans are dark enough he wasn't sure they'd have been greenlit, yet the soli Faustus faction acts like that wouldn't be a problem.

I honestly think that, if Faust hadn't been kicked off, her original vision still would have been subjected to Executive Meddling. Fans would still throw around accusations of shark-jumping, pandering, and character derailment, but there wouldn't be any convenient scapegoat to blame them on. And we'd hear (via DVD commentaries) about how the finished episodes didn't quite line up with Faust's original vision... but the finished product would be "eh... close enough" that Faust wouldn't feel any pressing need to go back and do things "right".

Whereas now, there does seem to be some interest in doing seasons 3 and after "right".

Also:

She said that "Trixie had the potential to become a very significant villian".
This sentiment utterly baffles me.

Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#44946: Feb 2nd 2014 at 9:19:28 AM

Huge amounts of What Could Have Been concerning Lauren and Meghan's differing plans for the show.

You know. I really don't believe this poster to much. Not necessarilly that Lauren had different plans, but that the show would have ended up being much different from what it is now. I especially don't buy that it would have been at all "darker" or more "epic".

And frankly I'm not even sure if I would have liked Faust's full vision.

edited 2nd Feb '14 9:22:41 AM by Mio

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#44947: Feb 2nd 2014 at 9:21:46 AM

In response to the Trixie becoming a major villain, I can see it happening. Sort of a From Nobody to Nightmare situation, except it's more like from Small Name, Big Ego to nightmare. Twilight shows her up, she seeks revenge, learns some new spells, gets more serious... Etc. or maybe she could've kept the amulet.

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#44948: Feb 2nd 2014 at 9:27:39 AM

The Everfree was originally a lot more hardcore. "Things like a silly camping trip are pretty implausible in the original vision; The Everfree would have bucked them sideways"

Which never happened, and the "silly camping trip" wasn't even IN the Everfree.

Yeah it basically just people whining about how hing "could have been" none of which has any basis in fact. Is just wild speculation, and no NONE of it is "retcon's" because nothing that actually EXISTS in the show was changed.

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#44949: Feb 2nd 2014 at 9:27:47 AM

I never said it would be better, only different. And yes, people can be idiots.

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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#44950: Feb 2nd 2014 at 9:31:28 AM

Even if Faust stayed on I doubt her plans would have gone how some of these people think it would have, and even if she wouldn't to she didn't have the writing team to make that happen.


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