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A thread to discuss My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic and the tie-in media.

All of the usual forum rules apply. In addition, please remember that the thread is discussing a kids' show, and it's primarily focused on the work itself, not the fanfic — in particular, we don't want to see lewdness creeping in.

     Original OP text 
I don't know WHAT the Hell happened (I blame shenanigans) but we're going to start from scratch. Post your feels for this awesome show again! Naow!

Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 26th 2024 at 10:24:26 AM

JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing
#40801: Jan 20th 2014 at 4:34:36 PM

@CDRW: That's true, but I also think that whoever wrote that bullet point is greatly overstating it. There's never been any indication that AJ is only honest because she wants to live up to her element, or that Pinkie only tries to make ponies happy because of that, etc. It's been pretty firmly established that all of their elements were already aspects of their personalities before they ever got the powerup. I mean, in the pilot, Twilight handed out the elements based on what they had exemplified. Seraphem's comment is technically headcanon, but it's far more plausible than claiming the cast only do what they do because they're compelled to by their elements. And it is supported by the pilot.

The other thing is that the alternative is that the elements were distributed randomly, and the ponies got those traits after receiving the elements. And that makes absolutely no sense in the context of the show.

The other thing is that in that example, it makes some pretty odd assumptions about why fans point out stuff like "AJ was like this in scene X because of her element". Specifically this:

What's horrifying is that this means that the viewers see the good that they do is not because they're good people, but rather out of some sense of obligation to fulfill their duties as representative of a cosmic imperative.

Simply put, I don't think the viewers see it that way. And what's more confusing is that the options aren't mutually exclusive. If RD does something loyal and a fan points out "Hey, she's the element of loyalty, of course she did; that doesn't preclude RD from being a good person."

edited 20th Jan '14 4:37:11 PM by JapaneseTeeth

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CDRW Since: May, 2016
#40802: Jan 20th 2014 at 4:37:12 PM

I do think it is the more reasonable assumption that they're not influenced by the elements, and it's the one I adopt as my own headcanon, but I can't stand when people don't distinguish between "I think it is" and "it is."

edited 20th Jan '14 4:37:37 PM by CDRW

storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
#40803: Jan 20th 2014 at 4:39:56 PM

I think in the abscence of evidence of a change, it makes more sense to assume no change.

Blind Final Fantasy 6 Let's Play
Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#40804: Jan 20th 2014 at 4:42:08 PM

When every single piece of evidence point to it being the case, and not one single thing in anyway contradicts it. that's a pretty strong case for it being that way. Not everything needs to be handed out and explained in detail to be true. If later evidence occurs which alters things, then it adjusts accordingly. But that is true for everything, no matter how stated or plain, it could later turn out that there was information we did not posses.

JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing
#40805: Jan 20th 2014 at 4:42:29 PM

[up][up]This, basically. There's no evidence that they were unchanged by the elements, but it's a reasonable assumption to make until the show explicitly says otherwise because the alternative requires a pretty big stretch to make.

edited 20th Jan '14 4:42:37 PM by JapaneseTeeth

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#40806: Jan 20th 2014 at 5:06:17 PM

Sorry Story, never wrote the list separately. can't find it.

storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
#40807: Jan 20th 2014 at 5:10:20 PM

Ok, I'll just search for it later.

Blind Final Fantasy 6 Let's Play
Starscream759 Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: In denial
#40808: Jan 20th 2014 at 5:21:57 PM

@Story I've got the recap page for ya if you want it.https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/AdventureTime

"Transform and Roll out!" Optimus Prime
Crowfall Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#40809: Jan 20th 2014 at 5:32:07 PM

I think it's reasonable to think that the ponies might feel like they have to try to live up to their element, and might try harder than before to be honest, generous, etc, but it isn't like some supernatural compulsion. Just sort of a sense of "well, I was already this trait, but I'd better put a bit extra effort into it now."

Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#40810: Jan 20th 2014 at 5:35:15 PM

Except we've seen no evidence of this at all.

Rainbow Pomeranian Lover from Central Illinois (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
Pomeranian Lover
#40811: Jan 20th 2014 at 5:35:59 PM

I was thinking, what characters do you think might be in a 2014 Toys R Us collectors set? Here are some of my guesses

  • For the "main villain" character: Discord, King Sombra, or Sunset Shimmer. Discord is in more episodes of the show and is a more regular character now that he's friends with Fluttershy, but King Sombra would be easier to make a doll of because he's a pony while a Discord doll would need a special mold for his unique body structure. Sunset Shimmer is one there is already a doll of, but she might also count since she was the main villain in the Equestria Girls movie.
  • For the "minor villain" character: One or both Flim-Flam brothers, Babs Seed, Lightning Dust, Silver Spoon
  • Other popular background ponies who don't have brushable dolls yet: Octavia, Sweetie Drops/Bon Bon, Dr. Hooves, Minuette, Berry Punch, Carrot Top, Spitfire, Soarin'

edited 20th Jan '14 5:36:19 PM by Rainbow

storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
#40812: Jan 20th 2014 at 5:38:22 PM

Speaking of Bonbon, what was she doing, flying around at the games practice?

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#40813: Jan 20th 2014 at 5:43:21 PM

[up] prolly looking for lyra on the clouds.

Sydxelia Are you into... Vinyl? from Cranberry World Since: Nov, 2010
Are you into... Vinyl?
#40814: Jan 20th 2014 at 5:59:31 PM

That wasn't Bon Bon. Different hairstyle and cutie mark.

I thought the same thing, though, when she flew by. "Wait, was that Bon Bon?"

I put my friend in a coconut! He lives in my hat! Hey, come hang out!
CDRW Since: May, 2016
#40815: Jan 20th 2014 at 6:03:03 PM

It's Bontavia! And she's a pegasus!

JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing
#40816: Jan 20th 2014 at 6:06:24 PM

So Octavia and Bon Bon have a secret magical love child from the future?

Lyra will not be happy.

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Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#40817: Jan 20th 2014 at 6:06:33 PM

I remember someone dubbed her "Bons Away."

And made her a pedophile. Eugh...

CDRW Since: May, 2016
#40818: Jan 20th 2014 at 6:07:44 PM

Why would they ruin such an awesome name with a character trait like that? sad

Sydxelia Are you into... Vinyl? from Cranberry World Since: Nov, 2010
Are you into... Vinyl?
#40819: Jan 20th 2014 at 6:13:22 PM

Bon Bon, for comparison. Different eye color, too.

Bon Bon: *whispering* Lyra, those weird, bipedal creatures with "hands" are watching us again. Lyra!
Lyra: Yeah, yeah. Man, this hay shake is good.

I put my friend in a coconut! He lives in my hat! Hey, come hang out!
kegisak Element of Class Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Element of Class
#40820: Jan 20th 2014 at 6:15:18 PM

[up][up][up]Ew. What was that just like... a random thing? Like an /mlp/ dubbing/random trait thread? Or was it an image thing?

...and I'm thinking of Sad Hoshi a bit...

Birthright: an original web novel about Dragons, the Burdens of Leadership, and Mangoes.
Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#40821: Jan 20th 2014 at 6:17:42 PM

It was a tumblr blog. Ask Skyra and Bons Away. And from what I recall, the blog at least tried to make it not horrid. By having Bons fighting the urges and refusing to actually touch a foal.

Sydxelia Are you into... Vinyl? from Cranberry World Since: Nov, 2010
Are you into... Vinyl?
#40822: Jan 20th 2014 at 6:19:00 PM

I remember someone dubbed her "Bons Away."

And made her a pedophile. Eugh...

I put my friend in a coconut! He lives in my hat! Hey, come hang out!
Crowfall Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#40824: Jan 20th 2014 at 6:20:53 PM

Hey, pedophilia doesn't have to automatically ruin a character. It's how they act on their pedophilic urges that make them good or bad. Sorry to be a broken record, but look at the Venture Brothers. Their bodyguard from season 4 on, Sergeant Hatred, is a recovering pedophile who struggles with having those urges, but knows they're wrong and fights not to act on them.

I'd actually really like to see more shows tackle the challenge of writing sympathetic pedophiles instead of taking the easy way out and just throwing them under the bus as easy targets of universal scorn.

And on that cheery note, I'm off to my fitness class. :P

edited 20th Jan '14 6:22:08 PM by Wryte

kegisak Element of Class Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Element of Class
#40825: Jan 20th 2014 at 6:22:13 PM

If it's done well, then it could be interesting, yeah. It just, you know... makes a guy kinda on edge when you hear that.

It does sound like it would be marginally interesting, but... eh.

Birthright: an original web novel about Dragons, the Burdens of Leadership, and Mangoes.

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