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A thread to discuss My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic and the tie-in media.

All of the usual forum rules apply. In addition, please remember that the thread is discussing a kids' show, and it's primarily focused on the work itself, not the fanfic — in particular, we don't want to see lewdness creeping in.

     Original OP text 
I don't know WHAT the Hell happened (I blame shenanigans) but we're going to start from scratch. Post your feels for this awesome show again! Naow!

Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 26th 2024 at 10:24:26 AM

Theriocephalus Amateur Veteran from gimme a map and a moment and I can tell you Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Amateur Veteran
#207676: Dec 4th 2024 at 9:13:54 AM

Naw, Rarity's pretty business savvy.

Now, Season 1-2 Rainbow would be another matter.

SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
#207677: Dec 4th 2024 at 9:39:14 AM

Fluttershy and Pinkie probably would fall for it too.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#207678: Dec 4th 2024 at 9:57:34 AM

Applejack wouldn't fall for it

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#207679: Dec 4th 2024 at 11:27:12 AM

[up]Why not? She failed to show business savvy by failing to account for supply and demand in "Super Speedy Cider Squeeze 6000". More likely she wouldn't fall for it because she just wouldn't be interested as opposed to savvy enough to know how it's a scam.

But realistically who's fall for it depends on the product it's selling, and how well it and the marketing ploy fits the characters vices.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#207680: Dec 4th 2024 at 11:39:07 AM

Product? We are talking about cryptocurrency, not NF Ts.

Hope shines brightest in the darkest times
TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good.
#207681: Dec 4th 2024 at 1:02:24 PM

That was a different discussion, now we're talking about pyramid schemes.

Twilight: Pinkie Pie... you fell for a pyramid scheme.

Pinkie Pie: That's impossible, they gave me lotion to sell, not any pyramids, Twi!

Pinkie then sweeps away to play a trombone. WON WON WOOOONNNNN!

Twilight: You're doing this on purpose or not?

Pinkie: I have no idea what are you talking about.

Edited by TomWithoutJerry on Dec 4th 2024 at 5:05:42 AM

Please remember that, ultimately, fictional works of entertainment are just that.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#207682: Dec 4th 2024 at 1:04:32 PM

> Why not?

too obvious for my taste,also really stereotypical "hurr hurr apple jack is sTuPid"

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Afrovenator Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
#207683: Dec 4th 2024 at 1:15:44 PM

Rarity did almost fall for Flim and Flam's scheme in "Friendship University".

"You see, I had to trap Sonic in the hell dimension cause he disrespected gamers."
TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good.
#207684: Dec 4th 2024 at 1:20:29 PM

It's a task to see which main hasn't put their hooves on the Idiot Ball sometime...

Please remember that, ultimately, fictional works of entertainment are just that.
Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#207685: Dec 4th 2024 at 2:12:35 PM

[up]That's why who'd fall for a pyramid scheme depends on context rather then a general answer.

SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
#207686: Dec 4th 2024 at 2:13:55 PM

I don't see why Twilight ever would given she's smart. Applejack's also too honest for that stuff.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#207687: Dec 4th 2024 at 3:06:36 PM

Ap[plejack isn't stupid, but she can be too stubborn about being right to notice that she actually isn't at times. As an autistic I am familiar with the situation. grin

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SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
#207688: Dec 4th 2024 at 7:48:28 PM

In other news, someone has been emailing Jim Miller (showrunner from season 5B to 9) on certain behind the scenes info.

One interesting thing is the mindset of the School of Friendship arc.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/tumblr_47125406fb9e97b012e99e67cc238bc8_1d63eee1_640.jpg

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#207689: Dec 4th 2024 at 11:44:14 PM

I wonder what that last redacted part is.

I'm kinda glad that plan didn't pan out, I think it would have been too much change, and we wouldn't have made it to season 9 then. They should just have made the students a spinoff show instead.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#207690: Dec 5th 2024 at 10:11:38 AM

the redacted part is their user name,and I swear Ive seen the same response from before

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Theriocephalus Amateur Veteran from gimme a map and a moment and I can tell you Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#207691: Dec 5th 2024 at 4:06:23 PM

There have been some weird edits in Friendship Is Magic: Races just today — most of them seem like mixes of speculation, conversation in the main page, and faction wonk; the edits reasons are for the most part either "Adding a fact" or "Answer, making an assumption", repeated over and over. The list of specific edits is quite long because there was a lot of serial tweaking, but these are the edits as they stand now, with additions bolded:

Unicorns

  • Weak, but Skilled: Unicorns aren't known for their physical strength or athleticism, but they have access to powerful magic. Although there are those with great physical strength among them.

Dragons

  • Allegorical Character: Dragons largely embody archetypes of toxic masculinity, being an entire culture where displays of strength and toughness are prized and everyone is constantly trying to impress and beat each other while openly showing emotion and affection are frowned upon and considered a sign of weakness. It puts them in strong contrast with pony culture, where even the most masculine of stallions are typically In Touch with His Feminine Side.
    • Most likely dragons and ponies have nothing to do with masculinity and feminity. It's just that dragons are shown as a barbaric society and ponies are shown as a civilised one. And far from all of stallions (and even all of mares) In Touch with His Feminine Side.
  • Fantastic Racism:
    • They look down on ponies in general as weak and soft, particularly the importance they place on "friendship". Until Ember became Dragon Lord they made no effort at all to forge relations with ponies or other species in general, at best leaving them alone, at worst terrorizing them. One result of this was that ponies knew almost nothing about their culture.
      • Irony: those dragons who think so apparently don't know much about ponies. Ponies are objectively more powerful and more evolved than dragons are. Ponies (unicorns and alicorns) have powerful magic with which you can do almost anything if you develop the ability (dragons have their abilities too, but unicorns/alicorns can probably replicate them with powerful magic). Celestia and Luna raise and lower the sun and the moon! Magic of friendship dragons so underestimate is actually extremely powerful, and we've seen that many times in the animated series. Ponies also have a more advanced culture and social order (they have sciences, literature, arts, and they have a fairly prosperous and just society, while dragons is barbaric). And they have a normal country with cities, production and technology, while they live in one small area and have an uncivilized lifestyle. Also in "Equestria Girls", Twilight and Spike go through a portal to a parallel world, Twilight (pony) turns into a human and Spike (dragon) turns into a dog.
    • In the comics, they're on the receiving end of it. Spike learns that a number of dragons do live among ponies in Manehattan, but are subject to profiling and prejudice on account of the fact they're still dragons, even though they're perfectly nice unlike most other dragons.
  • Long-Lived: Dragon lifespans are not explicitly stated, but the presence of an adult-looking Torch during Flash Magnus' time implies that they can live for well over a millennium.
    • Perhaps only royalty dragons can live so long (just as alicorns).

One entry was also added and then removed again shortly afterwards:

As was this last bit at the end of Fantastic Racism:

  • Fantastic Racism: Friendly as they are, most ponies are either wary of other sentient species at their best, or outright xenophobic at their worst. In fact, the massive dislike the three pony races had toward each other in the beginning cost them their original homeland and nearly caused them to perish at the hooves of the Windigoes. It is largely implied that since most ponies don't get to travel outside Equestria very much, they don't get to encounter other races on a regular basis and are pretty distrustful of them as a result. On the receiving end of this trope, ponies are often looked down upon by dragons and griffons, who aren't exactly fond of their affectionate ways. While ponies are in many ways more powerful and advanced.

Thoughts? At the absolute minimum the grammar and formatting have issues, and the speculation should obviously be cut, but it also seems like the editor has some kind of axe to grind here.

Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#207692: Dec 5th 2024 at 6:06:24 PM

[up]Taken the issue to Ask The Tropers. The additions should be cut as Natter, speculation, and other issues.

As for how The Movie effected plans for the School of Friendship; Hasbro said they wanted FIM to last 5 more years in 2014, the 2017 leaks included asserted for S9 and early plans for G5, and FIM takes about a year from scrip to finished episode. So the movies underperformance wouldn't have effected S8, and we would have still gotten FIM S9 all that changed was the Young Six getting sidelined (note how abruptly their storyline stops after "Uprooted").

On the subject of The Movie and how it effected things, this document from the 2017 leaks, dated 9-19-2017 so a month before The Movie released, has some interesting takeaways.

  • It says 'The Movie'''s budget was $50M "(INCL P&A)" which I assume means Publicity and Advertising. Hollywood Accounting or the $6.5M budget merely production or part? (Note the planned 2019 movie planned "$20M Prod/$20M P&A?") If latter than it would explain why despite being profitable it's underperformance shook things up so much and says something that P&A was so much more expensive than the movie.
  • It states they were planning the 2019 movie to be a Grand Finale for FIM, that apparently got scaled back into My Little Pony: Rainbow Roadtrip. Wonder how that effected plans for Season 9, considering what concept art we got suggests they didn't have a clear plan for how the 2019 movie would serve as a finale, and how they planned to make the movie in just 2 years when the 2017 one took 3 leading to.
  • It has production issues; "Inability to make changes to key animated characters/locations/styles due to time constraints (ie Klugetown, Capper)", "Writing and boarding simultaneously caused challenges for rewrites and punchups", "Late locked story led to inefficiencies on the product development side (ie Fish Prison, Hippogriffs, Capper, Tempest)". Basically the higher quality animation took so much time the ensuing difficulties contributed to the lower story quality.

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Dec 5th 2024 at 10:46:42 AM

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#207693: Dec 6th 2024 at 8:13:35 AM

Do you think there were imageboards(or something similar) in Equestria at the time G5 is set?

Well, I guess you're a banana... Or a pineapple?...
Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#207694: Dec 6th 2024 at 8:39:59 AM

Nope

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wooden-ladybug93 Since: Feb, 2024
#207695: Dec 6th 2024 at 10:02:47 AM

Rarity's my favorite of the Mane Six. Fight me.

Theriocephalus Amateur Veteran from gimme a map and a moment and I can tell you Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#207697: Dec 6th 2024 at 11:33:57 AM

[up][up][up]Why wouldn't G5 have image boards if they have internet? Is that more a question for the G5 thread.

Also had a thought. Why is it fans (comparatively) don't have a problem with Cozy Glow having the intelligence to pull the elaborate plans and manipulations she does, but can't buy she has the intelligence to have proper agency/awareness of her evildoing despite her youth? (Makes me wonder if Cozy being an adult would fix this, or her mental health issues such an adult would require to have the same personality/action would just be different problematic implications.)

SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
#207698: Dec 6th 2024 at 11:55:22 AM

I do wonder, how come other evil child characters like Darla Dimple, Gideon Gleeful, and Stewie Griffin not get the same level of flak as Cozy Glow? Like, what made them work where Cozy failed as evil child villains?

Theriocephalus Amateur Veteran from gimme a map and a moment and I can tell you Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Amateur Veteran
#207699: Dec 6th 2024 at 12:22:44 PM

I'm going to be completely honest, there is very little about Cozy Glow as a character that I'm able to take very seriously. Her being a genius mastermind isn't, like, morally offensive or anything, but it is a little bit ridiculous.

She's fine as like, a comical character, because being ridiculous can be an active asset there. It's when the show tries to use her for serious stuff that things start breaking down. She just ends up being bathos with ringlets, you know.

Edited by Theriocephalus on Dec 6th 2024 at 2:26:34 PM

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#207700: Dec 6th 2024 at 2:03:35 PM

@Sponge Guy: I think it's because those shows didn't already have other adult villains repeatedly be redeemed/reformed, so far as I know about them since I've never watched any of them but I have read that Family Guy is a generally more cynical show (not sure about the other two). So there was more of an expectation that she could be reformed like Diamond Tiara was. I think if she had been introduced before season 5, then she might have been seen as just an even worse child antagonist than Diamond Tiara, who got a lot of fandom hatred early on because of the Jerks Are Worse Than Villains trope.

Personally, I'm fine with Cozy Glow not being reformed and I enjoyed the subversion where the cute-looking one was evil. I remember liking that Starlight Glimmer didn't look like Obviously Evil like Sombra or Tirek, so Cozy Glow was just an even bigger case of that for me. I always wondered how the younger fans saw her, like if they wanted her to be redeemed because "she's just a child" or might have more seen her as representing racist bullies at their own schools who they might want to see punished. However, I can understand how it would bother other fans. I also think that since Discord was able to be un-petrified, I assume that if they ever wanted to try reforming Cozy Glow, it would be possible to undo the petrification spell. It's not like her statue or the others were shattered like the Storm King.

Edited by Rainbow on Dec 6th 2024 at 4:03:52 AM


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