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He was the one who collected samples of cloud from the factory, yes.
Wait, he got those samples from the factory? He doesn't go around the sky, looking for prime, aimless samples?
Is that illegal? It sounds illegal.
..........Are the sheep of the heavens under the ownership of the Alicorn hierarchy?
To be specific:
Fluttershy: And Dad's been collecting his favorite bits of cloud from the factory since before you were born.
Mr. Shy: The very best from every production run since my first day on the job.
@fredhot16 on the names:
It's what Rainbow Dash calls them and how they got credited.
It's all we're going to get unless new merch names them or they are given a new episode.
Despite knowing Twilight's parents namea via word of god since season 1 if I'm not mistaken, they were credited as Mr. and Mrs. Sparkle in their first voiced appearance.
Rarity's parents didn't even get that much, so for the longest time both were stuck with fan names. I think it was the guide that named them (Hondo Flanks and Cookie Crumbles).
Man, I felt so bad for Mr. Shy at that moment. All those years of work (over 20 years if we go by expanded universe stuff), just gone.
Edited by MrSeyker on Feb 10th 2019 at 1:29:51 AM
Maybe they were novelty clouds, or prototypes, or something else about them that is collectible. After all, ALL clouds in Equestria at the very least are factory made. The only "wild" clouds would be over the Everfree.
I'm still not sure if you're allowed to "collect" them from the factory.
Is that legal? Can he take the things he works on from work back home?
Edited by fredhot16 on Feb 10th 2019 at 2:11:54 AM
Fluttershy's dad looks like Ned Flanders. XD
I assume the amount he takes is so inconsequential that it doesn't affect any deadlines. They were tiny puffs of cloud.
Edited by GNinja on Feb 10th 2019 at 10:35:41 AM
Also, no one is saying he is stealing them from the factory. It could have a souvenir shop for all we know. Or maybe they give out samples.
There is no grounds to assume that what he does would be illegal. On top of that, the Equestrian justice system seems to generally be a lot looser than our own, and more based on the judgement of authority figures than actual laws. "Trade Ya" is a good example of that, come to think of it. Twilight's personal judgement seems to be the final word in the matter. No lawyers or judges are required or even expected to resolve the issue. It all comes down to royal prerogative.
Why do people keep expecting Equestria to function exactly like America? First military bronies, and now legal bronies? (Besides, that would have to be an analogy to CANADA, if nothing else).
I mean, we've seen how the factory works. There are stations that are dedicated to various things, like producing snowflakes, a room where lighting is stored in bottles, pretty sure we even saw tables where they analyze cloud samples.
I always interpreted the dialog as Mr. Shy overseeing cloud production at the factory, and him taking home samples of every cloud he ever oversaw.
Now, at my work, a sample of every batch of steel produced is taken while the liquid metal is being poured. That sample is sent to the laboratory to test quality. The sample is the size of a pocket watch, and only a fraction of that is needed to analyze. Once done the sample is just thrown away.
In theory they are to be recycled for other batches, but you can always see old samples lying around various places untouched.
At work no worker is allowed to take anything from the factory. It's all property from the company.
But there is absolutely no reason to think the same is true in Equestria.
The Cloudsdale factory is most certainly not a private company, so its not like they are losing profit by one worker taking samples.
Also, its just a small puff of gas. The amount of water needed to make them is negligible.
Rainbow Dash produces such small puffs on the regular for various reasons, including making magic toothpaste for a multi-eyed swamp frog.
...What is your work, anyway?
I don't actually have the sufficient english language to explain properly.
I feel like this happened with the EEA in School Daze as well. Fans just seemed to jump at saying that everything the EEA said had to be true, because they're a government agency. Even though the entire premise of the episode is based around the idea that Twi's friendship school was completely unprecedented, and it fell into this grey area of being basically a school, but also covering a subject matter completely outside of the EEA's wheelhouse. Something their methods weren't equipped to teach.
I appreciate that in M Arks for Effort Twilight flat out told the CMC that they needed Cheerilee's lessons. Not her own. She's making it clear that the EEA still do an important job. They are qualified to teach certain things, and Twi is qualified to teach others.
By the way, Metafour hasn't responded to my P Ms for several days. Is there anyone else who wants to go next in the Round Robin while we wait? I can just slot Metafour in later if he comes back.
Edit: Metafour confirmed that he is unable to go right now, so I'll have someone else go instead.
Edited by storyyeller on Feb 11th 2019 at 10:17:42 AM
If that's true, then it's kind of strange that Twilight needed EEA accreditation to begin with.
Because the situation was unprecedented. Twi was correct to go to the EEA to seek their blessing. They might know something she doesn't. Their ways MIGHT have worked, there was no way to know. The reason she wrote a rule book as long as she did at the end of School Daze was in response to the feedback she got from the EEA.
But when push comes to shove, Twi outranks them. Especially on this subject.
Edited by GNinja on Feb 11th 2019 at 9:16:31 AM
Posted by Ace Of Scarabs on Sat, 1st Mar '14 8:10:43 AM - Post #53949 in the new thread
With regards to Mr. Shy taking home cloud samples, I just figured it was part of his compensation. Keeping in mind that he's the manager,
Part of the problem in that regard is that the Friendship School serves as a replacement for a standard education. You either go to regular school or Friendship School. You can't do both, especially if you traveled halfway across the world to attend Friendship School.
Which means that Friendship School should be required to teach a standard course curriculum in addition to their special subjects. You should be learning math, science, geography, etc. in Twilight's school, just the same as you would be in Cheerilee's. The kind of stuff that would fall into the EEA's purview.
But apparently that's not happening, and the kids are only studying friendship. The fact that they are not receiving even a basic education because "Screw you, Racist Dracula!" is quietly ignored.
Twilight's school is bold and innovative in the same way that religious schools that replace science and math with Bible studies are bold and innovative; it's like a real school, but shittier! Which, given that public education vs. fancy private schools like the aforementioned is such a hot-topic political issue these days, might be another instance of MLP accidentally endorsing a problematic set of values.
Twilight's running a charter school. Celestia help us all.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 11th 2019 at 8:19:14 AM
Technically, it would be like replacing science and math with Bible studies if studying the bible let you shoot rainbow lasers. Still probably not a good idea, but it's not quite the same as in real life.
Shooting rainbow lasers still has less real-world application than science and math. I'd rather have a mundane medical practitioner than an uneducated yokel struggling to make a living who can shoot lasers out of her eyes.
I'm a drop-out, myself. I've lived much of my adult life on, let's say, the wrong side of the tracks. Trust me, very few people in my walk of life are people you would trust with rainbow lasers.
EDIT: Musing on it, I'm actually not sure that the charter school thing was accidental. Like, literally the central message of "School Daze" was "F*ck the public education system; my private school doesn't need your rules and regulations!"
That's a pretty clear and unambiguous anti-public education message. MLP might actually be deliberately trying to defend charter schools.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 11th 2019 at 8:24:14 AM
I don't buy it. Because later on we see Twilight say to the CMC in no uncertain terms that they need Cheerilee's lessons. Not Twilight's. So she's aware of the differences in the curriculums and believes that both are important for different people. It's a step beyond to suggest that Twilight was deliberately trying to replace EEA schools, especially since the vast majority of students that we see appear to be older than grade school. Cozy is the main outlier here.
I tend not to like this type of reading in general. Because it applies a mindset to Twilight that doesn't really fit what happens. She created a specialized school, not to replace EEA run schools, but to provide additional learning to those who want it.
Adding up to that, outside of (arguably) the young six and the outlier that is Cozy Glow (who is stupidly intelligent and probably already excelled elsewhere), the grand majority of ponies attending Twilight's school are clearly young adults or older, so its highly likely they all have already finished their education under EEA doctrine.
You have to make wild assumptions in order to conclude that Twilght's school steps on the EEA turf, and the text in the show doesn't support it.
And the School of Friendship is very much not a private school anyway.
Edited by MrSeyker on Feb 11th 2019 at 9:11:34 AM
Yeh. Even the student 6 feel like teenagers to me.
Teenagers are a rare sight in this show to begin with, but given the concept of cutie marks, it seems that once you're out of basic cheerilee style eduction, you specialize in whatever you have a passion for.
So Twi wouldn't be eating into those people anyway. The very nature of cutie marks ensures that people will follow their hearts.
The EEA per the episode is about the specialization of ponies into either the weather service, farming or practical application of high magic.
Celestia's school is part of the branch of the EEA that handles the later and focuses only on unicorns.
Wonder what weather school is like. Did Rainbow had to finish that to get her work at Cloudsdale?
That'd be a fun misadventure given what we've seen of Dash in school environments so far.
I agree that it seems Equestria does not have high school education, which is likely the age group Twilight is aiming at. Equestria seems to run on a hybrid of elementary education followed by apprenticeship based on your cutie mark, or self-education guided by your talent. Given that ponies with a cutie mark seem to have an innate understanding of their field of interest, the latter seems to be most common.
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