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Is Wonder Woman still part of the DC Big 3?

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WaxingName from Everywhere Since: Oct, 2010
#1: Aug 26th 2013 at 8:05:25 PM

Because if anything, Green Lantern has probably taken her place.

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#2: Aug 26th 2013 at 9:39:35 PM

Don't we have this thread already?

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#3: Aug 26th 2013 at 9:55:18 PM

[up] This one should count. But it's way down near the bottom of the first page, so no wonder the OP didn't notice it.

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#4: Aug 26th 2013 at 10:26:02 PM

Meh. As much as Green Lantern plays well in comic sales, that has not translated into mainstream recognition. When the public is too confused that the main character of the movie is the same main character as in the comics, you don't have the level of recognition that Wonder Woman gets just from being grandfathered into the public consciousness.

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#5: Aug 26th 2013 at 10:40:26 PM

[up][up]I was thinking this one actually.

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#6: Aug 27th 2013 at 8:54:58 AM

Her status as part of the "Big Three" has always been dubious at best and really only stems from the fact that she too has had a solo series since the Golden Age, but that is largely due to the fact that if DC didn't keep a Wonder Woman book in print the copy write would revert to the Marston Estate (this has since been changed).

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#7: Aug 27th 2013 at 9:43:19 AM

Her book did sell pretty well back then though. As of now, not so much. As far as capital goes, supporting character from Aquaman have outsold her.

In the comic book world itself she is still very much part of the big three, John's efforts to elevate Green Lantern doing little to displace her (the treatment of original lantern Alan Scott causing something of a backlash with readers probably not helping either)

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C0mraid from Here and there Since: Aug, 2010
#8: Aug 27th 2013 at 11:08:20 AM

[up][up] To be fair I don't think her book ever dud badly enough that it would have been cancelled.

That said I don't think your average portrayal of Wonder Woman is that interesting. I think attempts to force her into being a member of the big 3 have changed how she is portrayed. Superman and Batman naturally contrast, writers who are forced to write them as a trio tend to alter Wonder Woman so she works as a foil to both of them. That's why she's willing to kill now, the other two won't and it makes her different to them.

edited 27th Aug '13 11:14:18 AM by C0mraid

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#9: Aug 28th 2013 at 12:37:55 PM

"Now"? Hasn't WW generally been less averse to killing than the others?

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#10: Aug 28th 2013 at 12:43:50 PM

It's only been a pronounced and well-established part of her character for the past ten years, I believe.

C0mraid from Here and there Since: Aug, 2010
#11: Aug 28th 2013 at 12:52:32 PM

I've had to double check because I'm not a big Wonder Woman fan. It seems that she's racked up more kills in the past than I thought, but almost all of the older ones fall under What Measure is a non-Human. But she was given the character trait of being more willing to kill than other heroes around a decade ago, and I'd argue that was mainly to contrast her with Bats and Supes.

edited 28th Aug '13 12:55:01 PM by C0mraid

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TiggersAreGreat Since: Mar, 2011
#12: Aug 29th 2013 at 6:20:21 AM

Yeah, the last I checked, she killed off Deimos and Medusa, and not one person complained about it. Then everyone threw a hissy fit when she killed off Max Lord, a character who the writers and editors blatantly set up so that she more or less had to Shoot the Dog. Those are some pretty inconsistent values, if you ask me.

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KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#13: Aug 29th 2013 at 7:49:59 AM

I don't remember anyone complaining that she killed Lord. I do recall them complaining that DC handled it very badly, and this was in the wake of DC's mass murder spree prior to Infinite Crisis. He was just yet another character with a fan niche that was casually disposed of for narrative tension.

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#14: Aug 29th 2013 at 8:25:40 AM

Didn't Batman give her shit for it?

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Jhimmibhob Since: Dec, 2010
#15: Aug 29th 2013 at 8:43:38 AM

The characters' "Big Three" status is only partially about the figures they currently cut. It's also historical: they were the three major DC characters to keep appearing throughout the period between the Golden & Silver Ages, and to survive into the Silver Age without getting re-booted. That won't change, regardless of WW's fortunes as a character or a title.

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#16: Aug 29th 2013 at 9:20:33 AM

And really what editor would be willing to be known as the guy who dropped the most recognizable woman in comics for yet another corn fed white man?

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#17: Sep 4th 2013 at 8:13:33 PM

[up]I grew up on the Justice League cartoon, so for me Green Lantern translates to "Black Marine Guy". The rest are collectively labelled "The Other Green Lantern". Personally, I'd cheer John Stewart being one of the head honchos of DC.

I don't really know a whole bunch about Wonder Woman, but I feel her place as one of the Big 3 is more an obligatory position the company keeps her in out of habit.

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#18: Sep 4th 2013 at 8:59:49 PM

[up]I'm inclined to agree. It's not that she shouldn't be in the Big 3, it's that DC isn't giving her that importance. Meanwhile, Carol Danvers is lieutenant commander of the Avengers, and they're constantly trying to push her as a big deal within the Marvel Universe, and it looks like it's been paying off. Whereas Diana is just in her solo series and then Justice League, and they're not really trying to do much else with her.

And as much as I like Hal, the other G Ls always seemed more interesting. John was in the cartoon, so I already know what he's like. Guy's the funny one. Kyle, well, he's the one who makes Gurren Lagann burst forth from his ring, so you've gotta like him.

edited 4th Sep '13 9:01:14 PM by RedM

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#19: Sep 4th 2013 at 9:44:00 PM

Kyle's the one who needs to keep his girlfriends away from large appliances.

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#20: Sep 4th 2013 at 10:13:32 PM

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#21: Sep 5th 2013 at 8:26:48 PM

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#22: Sep 6th 2013 at 7:51:29 AM

Didn't Batman give her shit for it?

I wasn't talking about In-universe.

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#23: Sep 6th 2013 at 2:50:38 PM

Well thats because out of universe fans recognized that she was written into a corner and the only way out was to kill him. So why should people complain that Wonder Woman as a character killed a guy? When the much more valid complaint of "the writers forced Wonder Woman into murdering someone for cheap shock" is present?

edited 6th Sep '13 2:50:52 PM by Canid117

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#24: Sep 20th 2013 at 5:40:09 PM

[up] In the discussions I've shadowed, at least, the complaints are focused more about why anyone in-universe saw it as out-of-character for Diana, or, given the circumstances, why anyone in-universe who knew what actually happened (e.g. Batman) thought that she did the wrong thing. :P

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#25: Sep 20th 2013 at 5:51:37 PM

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