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CC License as It Applies to Wiki History Deletion

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Aug 19th 2013 at 10:56:03 PM

Is deleting the history of a wiki page, without reverting/deleting those changes, a violation of the CC-A-NC-SA license? It seems as though it would violate the attribution clause.

edited 19th Aug '13 10:56:18 PM by MajorAppleSauce

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Aug 20th 2013 at 1:02:35 AM

I've wondered about this too. <Not a lawyer>

BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
Aug 20th 2013 at 5:18:45 AM

Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, Licensor hereby grants You a worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive, perpetual (for the duration of the applicable copyright) license to exercise the rights in the Work as stated below:


  • to create and Reproduce Adaptations provided that any such Adaptation, including any translation in any medium, takes reasonable steps to clearly label, demarcate or otherwise identify that changes were made to the original Work.

(Emphasis mine.)

I'd say that we're taking reasonable steps to display the history of any text on our site. Ask any Wiki what sort of resources it would take to keep absolutely everything for as long as the Wiki is around. It is for practical reasons only that we sometimes delete (or otherwise lose) page histories for pages that we retain on the Wiki. (I don't think we're due any favours to a text that we no longer display, so removed pages can suck it.)

Some words, such as "reasonable," are ambiguous, and there's some room for interpretation. If someone wants to prove that we're not taking reasonable steps to respect the rights of our editors I think they'd have to attempt to prove that we're not making at least a good faith effort to record page histories. As long as we seem to be at least trying to maintain page histories I don't see how there could be a problem. And of course the reason we "seem" to be trying to do so is that we are trying to do so, to the extent that our resources allow.

EDIT: I should have mentioned that this post is my opinion about this - it is not an official statement from the staff.

edited 20th Aug '13 5:26:27 AM by BestOf

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Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Aug 20th 2013 at 6:47:48 AM

The material on the wiki is ours to do with as we please. The license governs what other people may do with the material on our wiki, not what we can do with the material on our wiki.

By contributing original writing, you surrender exclusive rights to it and it irrevocably becomes the property of TV Tropes. We may alter it, delete it, sell it, or do whatever else we see fit, with or without attribution.

Licensed material should not be posted on the wiki, even if it has a compatible license, except as governed by Fair Use. We have made a few rare exceptions but those must be approved by the wiki staff and have special rules regarding how they are edited. Example: the Evil Overlord List.

edited 20th Aug '13 7:00:37 AM by Fighteer

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
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Aug 20th 2013 at 7:11:46 AM

[up]That's part of the reason why Evil Overlord List is locked?

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Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Aug 20th 2013 at 7:32:03 AM

Precisely. We have an agreement with the author that it may be reposted here only if it is not modified in any way.

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Dec 6th 2013 at 9:55:26 PM

I don't mean to necro, but saving to the Wayback Machine could be a solution.

The reason I'm chiming in here is because another user may have deleted one of my additions to a page in my absence in the window of time prior to the edit page purge. I would be completely unaware of the edit reasons if any.

TuefelHundenIV Watchman of the Apocalypse from Wandering Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Dec 7th 2013 at 5:32:34 AM

Other users are allowed to delete or edit additions to a page within the scope of the rules of editing. Anything you put on pages is not sacrosant or immune to change in the scope of the wiki.

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Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Dec 7th 2013 at 2:57:38 PM

Please read Welcome to TV Tropes!, to which I have added a section about licensing and attribution.

edited 7th Dec '13 2:57:48 PM by Fighteer

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