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DrunkenNordmann from Exile
Sep 20th 2019 at 2:12:39 PM

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I'm not, Judaism is an ethnicity. A core component of ethnicity is one's ancestry.

Judaism is both a religion and an ethnicity - and considering Israeli state rabbis have tried to deny people's Jewishness based purely on genetics before, this is an issue.

It's especially been a problem for Eastern European Jews who've been migrating to Israel over recent years and are extremely wary of DNA tests trying to determine their Jewishness for pretty obvious reasons.

There's a quote from this article that sums up the uneasiness people have with these kinda practices really well:

For Sand, there is a particularly dark irony that this type of genetic discrimination is being weaponized by Jews against other Jews. “I am the descendant of Holocaust survivors, people who suffered because of biological and essentialist attitudes to human groups,” he told me. “When I hear stories of people using DNA to prove that you are a Jew, or French, or Greek, or Finnish, I feel like the Nazis lost the war, but they won the victory of an ideology of essentialist identity through the blood.”

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Sep 20th 2019 at 11:14:23 AM

"Satire is meant to ridicule power. If you are laughing at people who are hurting, it's not satire, it's bullying."
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from a handcart heading to Hell Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
Sep 20th 2019 at 2:14:44 PM

[up]X3 It is also a religion, also even within the ethnicity it is not a whites-only group, which is how it is being defined by the people doing the DNA testing.

I really don’t think it’s a good idea to defend genetic testing by people with a history of considering non-whites genetically inferior.

On the government stuff, could a Confidence and Supply agreement appear? Where a part doesn’t join the government but still gives it enough support for it to stay in power?

Edited by Silasw on Sep 20th 2019 at 9:17:35 AM

"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
Sep 20th 2019 at 3:51:13 PM

[up]x4. There’s definitely an ethnic aspect to it, but in today’s globalized society, that means less than it used to.

Although religion is usually passed down in families, I imagine that a not insignificant population of people within the Jewish faith who have converted, or who’s families converted and grew up with the faith, or kids adopted into Jewish Families, etc.

Edited by megaeliz on Sep 20th 2019 at 6:59:27 AM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Sep 21st 2019 at 8:34:58 AM

Jacobin has an article about the election nicely describes the situation, Israel Elects Apartheid

It's a sobering look at how despite the good news of Netenyahu's defeat, the wretched nature of Israeli politics is unlikely to change substantively. More or less all of Israel's major parties hold the same, or at least very similar, beliefs as him.

It's not really surprising but it is terrible sad

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 21st 2019 at 8:36:24 AM

"Progress is a nice word. But change is its motivator. And change has its enemies." -Robert Kennedy
KazuyaProta Porky from A Industrial Farm Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Porky
Sep 21st 2019 at 8:44:16 AM

Jacobin has a horrible story with apologia for all types of Leftist dictator, use another magazine if you want to share the info because using Jacobin "USA is behind all evils in the multiverse" Magazine is a easy way to lose respect

Edited by KazuyaProta on Sep 21st 2019 at 10:47:20 AM

Watch me destroying my country
Sep 21st 2019 at 9:37:18 AM

@ Le Garcon

To say nothing of the sterilization program for Ethiopian Jews

Well, that makes it harder to appreciate The Red Sea Diving Resort...

Edited by HallowHawk on Sep 22nd 2019 at 12:42:07 AM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Sep 21st 2019 at 9:43:36 AM

Jacobin has a horrible story with apologia for all types of Leftist dictator, use another magazine if you want to share the info because using Jacobin "USA is behind all evils in the multiverse" Magazine is a easy way to lose respect

Since the article was not about the US Jacobin's biases has no relevance. Not to mention that while they are biased their accuracy is high.

It's unfortunate if anyone loses respect for me but that isn't enough to make me stop posting it.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 21st 2019 at 9:44:04 AM

"Progress is a nice word. But change is its motivator. And change has its enemies." -Robert Kennedy
M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Sep 21st 2019 at 1:35:28 PM

It's generally a good idea to avoid sources that biased anyway, regardless of which direction that bias is in.

No Jacobin, no FOX News, no Reason, no Intercept, etc. Heck, I personally steer clear of Huffington Post, and that's not on Jacobin's level.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Sep 21st 2019 at 2:38:35 PM

Every source is biased, it is entirely impossible to escape bias. Any source that claims to be unbiased is likely to be the most biased of all.

What matters is whether or not that bias interferes with accuracy, nothing more. And on that front, Jacobin is more than acceptable.

"Progress is a nice word. But change is its motivator. And change has its enemies." -Robert Kennedy
M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Sep 21st 2019 at 3:01:55 PM

Going "all sources are biased anyway" doesn't make it better when you go for some of the most biased sources.

It shouldn't be too hard to find a less biased source on this issue anyway.

Edited by M84 on Sep 21st 2019 at 6:03:44 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Sep 21st 2019 at 3:06:00 PM

I'm not seeing any actual evidence beyond "Jacobin is biased therefore you shouldn't cite it".

I already provided proof that Jacobin is not counterfactual propaganda like Fox News, if you want me to not post its articles you'll have to give me a reason. And so far? None of you have done anything of the sort.

"Progress is a nice word. But change is its motivator. And change has its enemies." -Robert Kennedy
M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Sep 21st 2019 at 3:07:36 PM

I'd say the strong bias is reason enough. Even if the facts themselves are accurate, the loaded language that is mentioned in the Factcheck entry is dangerous. Especially if it's not the only Jacobin material one is reading.

Edited by M84 on Sep 21st 2019 at 6:08:44 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
KazuyaProta Porky from A Industrial Farm Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Porky
Sep 21st 2019 at 3:08:15 PM

[up][up] Jacobin is definitely propaganda tho. Like, it actively has articles crying about how Juan Guaido is a Right Wing dictator backed for USA, heck.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Sep 21st 2019 at 5:08:23 AM

Watch me destroying my country
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from a handcart heading to Hell Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
Sep 21st 2019 at 3:12:25 PM

If nothing else propaganda outlets are good to avoid because people won’t follow your source if it gives clicks to a propaganda outlet.

If it was having a discussion about the colour of the sky with someone and they linked to the Daily Mail saying that the sky is blue I’d demand another source, because even if they’re right like hell am I giving the Mail my ad views.

"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Sep 21st 2019 at 3:14:07 PM

If y'all want to disprove its claims you absolutely can, but I'm not going to stop using a factual source just because it's socialist.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 21st 2019 at 3:14:24 AM

"Progress is a nice word. But change is its motivator. And change has its enemies." -Robert Kennedy
KazuyaProta Porky from A Industrial Farm Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Porky
Sep 21st 2019 at 3:16:13 PM

America Rising Pac is basically, Republican propaganda based on publishing Bad News about Democrats.

Verdict?

Factual Reporting: HIGH

...Yeah, biases kinda matter

[up] I care because—to be blunt—Jacobin Mag. is a page that just serves for apologia of dictators.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Sep 21st 2019 at 5:18:01 AM

Watch me destroying my country
M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Sep 21st 2019 at 3:19:15 PM

Heck, I wouldn't even link to Marketwatch, and that's "only" Right-Center Bias. And it also has "High" Factual Reporting. So does Reason for that matter.

Edited by M84 on Sep 21st 2019 at 6:20:31 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Sep 21st 2019 at 3:21:43 PM

Hmm, let's look:

In review, America Rising publishes research on Democratic candidates and politicians. This research tends to be republished articles from other sources. For instance, under the “Research” tab they published this story from the strongly right biased Red State: Joe Biden’s Past Abortion Comments Draw Devastating Headlines and Fury from the Left. Under the “Take Action” tab they display voting surveys and petitions that favor the right. Under the “news” tab they republish news articles that are not favorable to Democrats. They use a wide range of sources such as the left leaning Washington Post and right leaning Washington Free Beacon.

In 2017, America Rising, through its lawyer, sought e-mails of career employees of the Environmental Protection Agency who criticized President Donald Trump or EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt. The e-mail requests provoked fears of political retribution and was described by critics as a “witch hunt.”

Although they do not report favorably on environmental protection and regulation, a factual search reveals they have not failed a fact check.

Overall, we rate America Rising PAC Right Biased based on story selection and political advocacy that always favors the Republican Party. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to a clean fact check record. (M. Huitsing 6/19/2019)

Yeah, that seems tolerable by the standards of Republican associated media. Heavily slanted, but not fake news like the Daily Mail, Fox News, or Breitbart.

Not to mention that the comparison doesn't work, being slanted in favor of the Republicans (i.e far-right reactionaries) is very bad. While being slanted in favor of socialism is not comparable.

The only thing this is convincing me of is that Jacobin is a tolerable source to use.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 21st 2019 at 3:22:10 AM

"Progress is a nice word. But change is its motivator. And change has its enemies." -Robert Kennedy
KazuyaProta Porky from A Industrial Farm Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Sep 21st 2019 at 3:30:45 PM

Fair enough.

"Progress is a nice word. But change is its motivator. And change has its enemies." -Robert Kennedy
unknowing "GREAT AND GLORIOUS DESAPAIR!" from somewhere..
"GREAT AND GLORIOUS DESAPAIR!"
Sep 21st 2019 at 5:39:04 PM

"Not to mention that the comparison doesn't work, being slanted in favor of the Republicans (i.e far-right reactionaries) is very bad. While being slanted in favor of socialism is not comparable"

If they used maduro propaganda about Guido Being dictator pro US they already cross the línea into un trutable news and as a Venezuela, Is annoying some would Trust a page that spew that crap.

Really, i get US have a patological adversion to bothsiding but cmon

"There is only one truth in this life and that is DESPAIR!"
FFShinra Beware the Crazy Man. from Ivalice, apparently Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Beware the Crazy Man.
Sep 21st 2019 at 9:24:58 PM

getting a bit off topic here guys.....

How are the coalition talks going?

Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
somerandomdude from Dark side of the moon Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
Sep 21st 2019 at 10:33:35 PM

They aren't.

The whole election was a disaster.

Wenn man nicht die Fresse halten kann, einfach mal Ahnung haben.
TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Servant of the Omnissiah
Sep 22nd 2019 at 12:57:32 AM

In short, Blue and White won't work with Likud if Bibi is still in charge - which is unacceptable to Likud.

Lieberman wont be doing much until the Arab bloc decides on who it's going to back (Hint - Not Likud).

In short, it's a clusterfuck with no end in sight for a few months.

I hold the secrets of the machine.
Ramidel Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Sep 22nd 2019 at 1:53:32 AM

And neither Joint List nor UTJ will let Lieberman anywhere near the Government.

Election #3?

Fiat justitia ruat caelum.

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