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TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
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#3501: Aug 9th 2024 at 7:35:08 PM

And yet nobody has any problem with glamorizing literal organized crime.

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jakovu (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3502: Aug 9th 2024 at 8:00:42 PM

It's definitely possible that Disney is downplaying the police procedural aspect to play things safe, but I hope no one here is actually giving much weight to the "copaganda" criticisms. A police force that didn't notice the race war being organized right under their noses until the rookie they were actively snubbing teamed up with a career criminal isn't what I'd exactly consider a "glamorized portrayal". I guess the problem those people had is that it portrayed law enforcement as being capable of changing for the better at all, but surely those critics represent an extreme minority and don't at all reflect the majority of audience opinion?

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#3503: Aug 9th 2024 at 8:10:47 PM
TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
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#3504: Aug 9th 2024 at 8:17:20 PM

[up][up]But they are a Vocal Minority and get a lot of press.

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Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#3505: Aug 9th 2024 at 9:09:49 PM

They're fine with white-coded organized crime after all.

kablammin45 art lizer from Cleese's Battle Circuit (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#3506: Aug 9th 2024 at 9:10:48 PM

I did notice that the figure of Nick in the Zootopia diorama at D23 showed him still having a police badge in his open wallet, so my guess is maybe that the police procedural stuff will just be downplayed instead of just being thrown away. I guess we'll have to wait and see, though.

Also, unrelated, but based on what I saw of the Zootopia subreddit, this series has one of the most eccentric fanbases I've ever seen. A not-insignificant number of the posts I saw that weren't about Zootopia 2 involved people very aggressively shipping Nick and Judy, and the ones that were about the new movie seemed upset that they were confirming that reptiles and pinnipeds were also sentient in the movie's universe, seemingly because they wanted it to be that only the mammals were sentient.

Edited by kablammin45 on Aug 9th 2024 at 9:11:31 AM

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#3507: Aug 10th 2024 at 1:13:01 AM

I hope not, the buddy cop thing was kind of the fun part of the first movie.

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lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#3508: Aug 10th 2024 at 1:16:48 AM

I just gonna assume they are plain clothes detectives now.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#3509: Aug 10th 2024 at 1:19:40 AM

I'm getting a huge "detectives on vacation, stumble on a mystery away from home" vibe from the setting and such, so maybe it's like that.

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#3510: Aug 10th 2024 at 1:23:21 AM

I find it funny the whole "fish are fine to eat" stuff because this time it's Beastars who did it first.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#3511: Aug 10th 2024 at 1:30:34 AM

Madagascar did that too.

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Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#3512: Aug 10th 2024 at 1:33:40 AM

[up]I brought it up since Beastars' existence is kinda tied to Zootopia.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#3513: Aug 10th 2024 at 5:05:14 AM

Except it's been a fact of life since Zootopia's inception while in Beastars they had to go through the whole manga plotline before someone finally got the fucking idea of "Hey instead of just slaughtering one another and selling their meat on the black market we can just eat fish!"

Anyway the clip looked great, and I can honestly say I didn't expect to see a snake. Seems more like it'll be a plainclothes thing, too, going by description.

AdventurousYak9234 A silly sausage from Great White North Since: Feb, 2023
Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#3516: Aug 10th 2024 at 5:33:05 AM

[up][up][up]Ehh not really, it was mentioned in the book but never outright stated in the movie. So it's more of those "added material" thing. As for Beastars it eventually didn't matter anyway since they didn't pursue it, but the concept of sea life has been a thing since the early chapters.

I do wonder with the whole fear of cop depiction in the West, it's one of the reasons why the Zootopia land from Shanghai won't get a release in the Western parks, especially when its major ride is you joining Nick and Judy chasing Bellwether.

Edited by Ookamikun on Aug 10th 2024 at 5:34:01 AM

BigBadShadow25 With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg. from Basement at the Alamo (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Desperate
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#3517: Aug 10th 2024 at 5:34:58 AM

A clip from the sequel has been put online… however, it’s not an official upload so don’t go making the page.

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#3518: Aug 10th 2024 at 7:06:54 AM

So yeah it seems like rather than a new city we'll just get more exposure to places outside of the city's main boroughs.

But I think that Shanghai Disneyland got the Zootopia World because the movie was gut-bustingly popular over there (the government even put out a statement about "Don't like this too much" because Communist China is going to Communist China) rather than any kind of cop dislike in the West.

TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
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#3519: Aug 10th 2024 at 7:09:17 AM

Even in Little Mermaid is implied sharks, at least, eat other fish and it's not like Triton goes around exterminating them or forcing them to stop.

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Booplesnoot Since: Aug, 2023
#3520: Aug 10th 2024 at 7:25:04 AM

[up][up] That just raises further questions. If there have been non-mammals in Zootopia the whole time, why do they use "mammal" as a synonym for "person" in the first movie, essentially implying that mammals are the only intelligent species?

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#3521: Aug 10th 2024 at 7:28:09 AM

Who says Gary has been there the whole time?

TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
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#3522: Aug 10th 2024 at 7:36:39 AM

The fact that we at no point see no reptiles during a city wide crisis in the first movie is vexing. Even setting the reptiles in another country or city is kind of troubling in a 'no immigration is ever shown until it is' way.

Especially since snakes and crocodiles are carnivores and so would also fall under the controversy that was the focus of the first story.

Edited by TomWithoutJerry on Aug 10th 2024 at 10:38:01 AM

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#3523: Aug 10th 2024 at 7:56:33 AM

The summary apparently says that Gary is a newcomer to the city. So it's likely that Zootopia doesn't have any reptiles.

BigBadShadow25 With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg. from Basement at the Alamo (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Desperate
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#3524: Aug 10th 2024 at 8:56:45 AM

Do we wanna make a page for Jared Bush?

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#3525: Aug 10th 2024 at 10:02:05 AM

Well we ought to make a page for Zootopia 2 to begin with. We know the release dates and such.


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