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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#1326: Aug 1st 2023 at 8:08:48 AM

The thing Is trying to adapt emerald twilight. Without previous film's was a terrible mistake. The film feels like they combined an entire trilogy into one package with weird flaws (like yes I know Oliver and Hal are besties and why it was hard to kill him. But That is rarely adapted outside the comics expect for injustice I think. Ruining what having to kill him is like)

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#1327: Aug 1st 2023 at 8:18:29 AM

The film really suffered from trying to do too much at once. It was trying to adapt First Flight, thr Rann-Thanagar War, and Emerald Twilight all once. Meaning nothing is well developed enough.

And it's not a good John Stewart story cause the movie basically lobbed off bits and pieces from Hal and Kyle onto John. So his entire thing there was cannibalized from other characters with nothing particular to him.

At least Justice League vs the Fatal Five gave Jessica Cruz a unique story there

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VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#1328: Aug 1st 2023 at 9:27:14 AM

I still find it funny how Sinestro was relegated to basically Hal's minion and without his well-intentioned goals. At least in Emerald Twilight Sinestro did managed to put up a fight against Hal and wasn't his servant, from what i heard.

Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor Since: Aug, 2014
The Mad Doctor
#1329: Aug 1st 2023 at 1:17:07 PM

The Tomorrowverse is the definition of biting off more than they can chew, swallowing everything too quickly, and then choking until it suffocates. DCAMU had issues such as Bat-centrism and adapting stories from the New 52, but I would take adapting the New 52's storylines over how the Tomorrowverse is cobbling together several stories in one movie and doing none of them justice.

I also question why they are a fan of twist villains as if this was Disney in the 2010s.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#1330: Aug 1st 2023 at 5:03:58 PM

It's weird to think that even after years Sinsetro's best appearance in media is Green Lantern: First Flight. Either they adapt out his more interesting motivations or he never gets to be a bad guy (The film and Animated series).

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#1331: Aug 1st 2023 at 5:39:33 PM

Looking back the JSA film is weird.

Like they could have just had a straight JSA story set in WWII but they had to tack in stuff with the modern Flash, and the main bit about saving Superman from Brainiac.

As stated about the issues with the Tommoroverse, they can't keep it focused and simple.

[up] And First Flight is still the best Green Lantern movie.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 1st 2023 at 5:40:10 AM

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LadyBlackwood The show must go on from Wouldn't you like to know? Since: Jun, 2023 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#1332: Aug 1st 2023 at 6:09:02 PM

[up] Agreed. I really liked the JSA characters and I would love it if there was an entire movie, or better yet an animated show, about them and their adventures in World War 2. I actually didn't mind Superman's presence and liked his character arc but the movie was already too crowded and he didn't really add much. Barry was the weakest part of the movie and I thought that him getting over his commitment issues and proposing marriage to Iris just because Diana gave him her ring and said a speech about love and not wasting time was dumb.

StarformDCX Starform from Ontario Since: Jul, 2013 Relationship Status: Abstaining
Starform
#1333: Aug 7th 2023 at 9:38:20 AM

I'll credit that the DCAMU improved over time
The DCAMU is frankly a pretty noteworthy achievement, IMO. It gave us the best Flash movie to date (Flashpoint Paradox), the second-best Superman movie ever (The Death of Superman), and the best Teen Titans movie (The Judas Contract). Wonder Woman: Bloodlines didn't fully work for me (its take on the Diana/Hippolyta relationship is needlessly feel-bad and it never makes Vanessa's vendetta with Diana feel earned) but it's the only non-origin, present-tense Wonder Woman film to date and the middle portion of it where Diana is travelling around taking on lots of members of her rogues gallery is the kind of thing more Wonder Woman adaptations should be like. Bad Blood and Hush are perfectly fine Batman movies (albeit somewhat inferior to their sources). Justice League vs. Teen Titans and Reign of the Supermen were also perfectly fine. The DCAMU was really only lousy in 2014/2015.

Edited by StarformDCX on Aug 7th 2023 at 12:39:39 PM

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#1334: Aug 7th 2023 at 11:10:58 AM

...If Flashpoint Paradox is the best Flash movie than maybe DC as a company should stop and reconsider whether they're actually capable of making a good Flash movie, or at least ones that are interested in the Flash as something more than a retcon machine.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#1335: Aug 7th 2023 at 11:27:32 AM

Well tbf flash their kinda isn't much to compare to (and I like that film).

Though agree that death of superman and Jud As contract were superb.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#1336: Aug 7th 2023 at 11:39:08 AM

Flashpoint Paradox becomes even more impressive cause its a competently done adaptation of the comic, compared to the live-action film. tongue

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#1337: Aug 7th 2023 at 11:46:41 AM

A competently done adaptation of a bad comic is still bad

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#1338: Aug 7th 2023 at 11:48:50 AM

Well it made for a decent movie honestly.

Its a pretty good watch, especially the final battle between Barry and Thawne.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 7th 2023 at 11:49:11 AM

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StarformDCX Starform from Ontario Since: Jul, 2013 Relationship Status: Abstaining
Starform
#1339: Aug 7th 2023 at 11:52:44 AM

flash their kinda isn't much to compare to
There's a LEGO Flash movie, there's Justice Society: World War II (which is really a Flash movie, when you get right down to it), there's Paradox and there's the Ezra Miller movie. By my count that makes four Flash movies.

DC as a company should stop and reconsider whether they're actually capable of making a good Flash movie, or at least ones that are interested in the Flash as something more than a retcon machine.

I still want a "Barry tries to stop the Rogues from doing robberies" movie! That said, Flashpoint Paradox stars a Barry with a personality I recognized from the comics it was adapting, the Flashpoint plot is executed the best it's ever been, the action scenes are spectacular despite the odd animation style, and the early scene at the museum does give us some of the stuff we've always wanted in a Flash movie. I also find the parts of the film about Barry's familial relationships pretty moving. And C. Thomas Howell simply is the Reverse Flash; the character's never been adapted better.

A competently done adaptation of a bad comic is still bad
We'll have to agree to disagree on this, because I do not consider Flashpoint to be a bad comic.

Edited by StarformDCX on Aug 7th 2023 at 2:53:54 PM

The five best Superman writers are Dan Jurgens, Jeph Loeb, Geoff Johns, Kurt Busiek, and Peter J. Tomasi.
Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#1340: Aug 7th 2023 at 12:13:34 PM

We'll have to agree to disagree on this, because I do not consider Flashpoint to be a bad comic.

Sure.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#1341: Aug 7th 2023 at 1:21:38 PM

I just feel it's too soon to have a COIE adaptation. What made that one so big was 40+ years of history leading up to it.

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StarformDCX Starform from Ontario Since: Jul, 2013 Relationship Status: Abstaining
Starform
#1342: Aug 7th 2023 at 3:25:08 PM

It does feel vaguely desperate.

The five best Superman writers are Dan Jurgens, Jeph Loeb, Geoff Johns, Kurt Busiek, and Peter J. Tomasi.
bookworm6390 Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#1343: Aug 7th 2023 at 4:52:02 PM

We don't need big epic stories. What's wrong with a mystery story or even using some more obscure comic storylines for inspiration? Or adapting more elseworld comics? Like if Jor-El and Lara also were able to make it to Earth?

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#1344: Aug 10th 2023 at 4:56:35 PM

Checking Elseworlds. Otherwise a lot of these would require multiple films to work like generations.

Surprised no one has done I, Joker yet. The premise is pretty fun and simple.

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#1345: Aug 10th 2023 at 5:00:10 PM

oh god

they actually made a Batgod comic

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
LadyBlackwood The show must go on from Wouldn't you like to know? Since: Jun, 2023 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#1346: Aug 10th 2023 at 5:01:46 PM

An elseworld (as in alternate continuity story, not from that line) I want adapted is Superman Smashes the Klan. It has just the right amount of material to fit a 75 minutes movie without having to either cut or add too much and it's a great story with a gorgeous yet simple art style.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#1347: Aug 10th 2023 at 5:07:03 PM

[up][up]Uh not really. It's more of a Theocracy type Th ing. The Bruce is the bad guy of the comic.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#1348: Aug 10th 2023 at 5:14:00 PM

About the only issue with adapting the Elsworld stories is I don't see the movies trying to adapt their respective art-styles.

Like the Doom that Came to Gotham did receive flak for not trying to adapt Mignola's art and instead went for their more general house style like the Gotham by Gaslight film.

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#1349: Aug 10th 2023 at 5:55:59 PM

I heard of rumors of a potential Kingdom Come animated movie being in the works, but it was scrapped once Gunn and Safran were put in at the heads of DC. Frankly, I feel like that one would've still faced the same problems COIE and Watchmen will face: the fact that the source material is WAY too big to fit into a two hour movie.

Although I've also heard that Watchmen and Crisis might be multi-parters. Any word if that's true?

StarformDCX Starform from Ontario Since: Jul, 2013 Relationship Status: Abstaining
Starform
#1350: Aug 13th 2023 at 11:19:22 AM

Bruce Timm said in an interview back in 2018 or 2019 that the line doesn't have enough money to adapt Kingdom Come with an Alex Ross-esque art style and that therefore they weren't going to adapt it.

The five best Superman writers are Dan Jurgens, Jeph Loeb, Geoff Johns, Kurt Busiek, and Peter J. Tomasi.

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