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miraculous Hellblazer from South Africa
Hellblazer
Oct 12th 2021 at 8:33:20 AM

[up]That didn't happen though even in game.

He still lost to Supes. And didn't Freaking kill Flash

"My talent's for lying. For sticking the knife in when people least expect it. Then walking away with a smile and a wave. "
Azulmagia Blue Justice from Eorzea Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Blue Justice
Oct 12th 2021 at 8:59:56 AM

He "defeats" Superman by making him turn against his moral code, if that counts, but killing the Flash was the main thing I was griping about.

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slimcoder Carnage Rules
Carnage Rules
Oct 12th 2021 at 11:00:03 AM

[up][up][up][up] I believe people were expecting this to adapt the comics not the games, since it delves into Supermanís breakdown and the creation of the Regime which is how the Year One story went.

About nobody expected they would actually adapt the entire 5 years and horribly compress all of it just to fit into a single movie.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 12th 2021 at 2:20:03 AM

"You know my name. Now SCREAM it."
Oct 12th 2021 at 2:18:57 PM

I think this would have worked better as a miniseries.

jessicadicicco610 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Oct 12th 2021 at 2:35:33 PM

https://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/voice-compare/Flash/Flash-Barry-Allen/

Apparently, the Injustice movie is not the first time Yuri Lowenthal voiced The Flash. He also voiced him in the DC Super Friends shorts.

jessicadicicco610 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Oct 12th 2021 at 5:01:21 PM

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/justice_league_animated/injustice-interview-producer-rick-morales-on-superman-breaking-bad-and-adapting-the-comics-exclusive-a188721#gs.d0xfau

Producer Rick Morales took part in an interview about the Injustice movie (which I haven't seen yet) . Here are some things he said:

1. He said that this movie is based more on the comics. Unlike with the Mortal Kombat Legends movies he worked on, Netherrealm Studios had a bit less involvement with the movie.

2. He said it was a challenge to adapt everything from the games and comics into 1 movie, so Ernie Altbacker took it upon himself to compress everything into a coherent script.

3. He thinks of Superman as his favorite comic book character. Matt Peters also has a lot of respect for the character as well. From his perspective, they didn't want this movie to just be known as the "evil Superman" movie. He wanted Superman to think he was genuinely doing the right thing up until the end.

4. There was no discussion about holding back with the character deaths. The team basically did whatever they wanted. At the same time, he still wanted the deaths that were there to have an impact, like with Nightwing .

5. In his mind, he sees this as an Elseworlds story based on comic books, hence why the movie has a largely new voice cast.

6. There's the possibility of returning to this world in some way.

7. There were moments from the comics and games that he wanted to include, but couldn't.

Edited by jessicadicicco610 on Oct 12th 2021 at 11:43:07 AM

Ordeaux26 The Starscream from Minecraft Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Oct 12th 2021 at 5:32:45 PM

I guess that explains why Superman in this film is so different.

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bookworm6390 Relationship Status: Abstaining
Oct 12th 2021 at 6:43:02 PM

So, are there no good therapists in the DC Universe for the ptsd afflicted heroes? And why are elseworlds Supermen more prone to jumping off the slippery slope than the main version? Has there ever been a version that was merely a bit too overprotective? Course that could be solved by Bruce or Lois telling him to cut it out.

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there
IHE
Oct 12th 2021 at 7:23:26 PM

There Are No Therapists if actually are invested in that idea. J'onn was the therapist in the Justice League Unlimited


4. There was no discussion about holding back with the character deaths. The team basically did whatever they wanted. At the same time, he still wanted the deaths that were there to have an impact,

That would explain why the movie is so bad.

I really want to outweigh the bad here, but it's too problematic. It was depressing but the majority of the characters' death had much more weight to them. Here it just comes across edgy.


slimcoder Carnage Rules
Carnage Rules
Oct 12th 2021 at 7:24:30 PM

Does this movie even have the famous moment where Alfred hands Superman his ass?

"You know my name. Now SCREAM it."
Windona Hiya from the void Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Hiya
Oct 12th 2021 at 7:31:36 PM

[up][up][up]Well, part of the issue is that therapists like Dr. Quinzel end up as supervillains a lot. Though that seems to be a more Gotham specific issue.

Either way, having therapists around don't help if someone doesn't want to see one or engage with the therapeutic process.

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Blueace Blue Mirror Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Blue Mirror
Oct 12th 2021 at 8:36:25 PM

DC a couple of years ago had the whole "Heroes In Crisis" debacle. It might be a while before they decide to do something relative to mental health. And maybe longer for it to be good.

slimcoder Carnage Rules
Carnage Rules
Oct 12th 2021 at 8:54:50 PM

[up][up] Damn, thats a shame.

@bookworm There is actually, the Kingdom Come Superman which has a similar start to Injustice. Joker kills everyone at the daily planet, even Lois who actually lives along enough to get Superman to promise he won't kill him. Supes does and merely arrests him so he can hold trial while the Joker after being acquitted was then murdered by Magog.

The result is Superman loses his faith in humanity and exiles himself for a couple years, coming back after a great disaster to once again save the world. While he form his own supergroup, he never goes as far as Regime-Superman and kills anyone even the violent chaotic anti-heroes, favoring instead forceful rehabilitation or imprisonment with rehabilitation.

He is only driven to seriously kill people after the UN dropped a nuke on the superhumans during the 3-way war between Superman's forces, Batman's forces, and the anti-heroes and even then was successfully talked down before he could kill anyone ending the story with his idealism and nobility fully restored. He even starts a new family having finally moving on from his grief over Lois' death.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 12th 2021 at 8:55:04 AM

"You know my name. Now SCREAM it."
Ordeaux26 The Starscream from Minecraft Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Oct 12th 2021 at 8:59:21 PM

Injustice Superman is actually a rarity when it comes to Evil Supermen he is one of the only ones who genuinely falls into being a completely irredeemable villain, by his own free will while most evil supermen are brainwashed, misguided or super sympahetic.

DreamWorks MB's
Oct 12th 2021 at 9:53:33 PM

So, are there no good therapists in the DC Universe for the ptsd afflicted heroes?

There was a big comics story relatively recently that was supposedly about Superheroes going into therapy.

I say "supposedly" for a reason, however. Also it was awful.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 12th 2021 at 9:55:28 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Azulmagia Blue Justice from Eorzea Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Blue Justice
Oct 13th 2021 at 2:53:26 AM

Can't have The Butlering without Superman breaking Bruce's back and torturing him for information on the Superman pills.

Speaking of which, are the Superman pills even in this movie?

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Oct 13th 2021 at 3:24:59 AM

Ironically, some of Marvel and DC's tv shows have depicted therapy as a good thing while still acknowledging the complexities of it somewhat. So it's really just the comics division that is so stuck in the past.

slimcoder Carnage Rules
Carnage Rules
Oct 13th 2021 at 3:36:35 AM

Its a case by case thing.

Like the last Guardians of the Galaxy run by Al Ewing has Nova take therapy by a Kree therapist because his repeated saving the universe has made him an honorary Kree citizen by the empire so he gets all the benefits package soldiers get.

The therapist is perfectly nice and is very able to help his issues, the problem is that Nova himself is very resilient to the treatment because he doesn't want to go to therapy so each appointment is a struggle for the guy to make some headway with the hero.

"You know my name. Now SCREAM it."
bookworm6390 Relationship Status: Abstaining
Oct 13th 2021 at 4:05:27 AM

They really should not antagonize Superman. Not very smart. You'd think Batman would have a plan to de-escalate potential conflicts with Superman, but that would mean no cool fight scenes.

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there
IHE
Oct 13th 2021 at 5:26:45 PM

I don't know if this is either a pun or just irony but it's sad to know that the Injustice would have such an injustice adaption.


As much people hate her, I really don't remember Wonder Woman killing that many characters other than Captain Atom & Huntress, & she was horrified in Huntress's case. She still has a tremendous body count.

bookworm6390 Relationship Status: Abstaining
Oct 13th 2021 at 5:49:36 PM

How dos villain get Superman to kill or seriously injure a human by getting him to think he's fighting Darkseid or Doomsday? Shouldn't he realise something is off about his opponent's body language and lack of effective punches? Though, just one overpowered punch would be enough to kill a human.

Blueace Blue Mirror Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Blue Mirror
Oct 13th 2021 at 5:55:51 PM

In the comic, it was caused by fear toxin, so he wasn't only hallucinating, but in a frenzy and wouldn't be really thinking about the logic holes.

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there
IHE
Oct 13th 2021 at 6:09:57 PM

Superman is a lot smarter than that & he speed blitz his hallucination into space before realizing what was wrong.

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