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Yeah no one likes Strikes Again or Act of God.

Ironically Miller would pen The Master Race where Superman takes down a bunch of Kryptonians with precise brutal martial combat and Batman is astounded that Supes has been holding back all this time and is a better fighter than even him.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 18th 2021 at 3:26:10 AM

Miller didn't write that.

Brian Azzarello wrote it. Miller just helped.

The same thing happened with the show and book Cursed where he collabed with someone

Well kudos to Azzarello then.

Wait Miller actually wrote Superman: Year One where Batman is a paranoiac idiot Superman has no problem against.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 18th 2021 at 3:34:56 AM

Perhaps i used poor choice of words, i meant "Dark Knight Returns" as his praised work, "Dark Knight Strikes Again" is a sequel to that praised work.

I wouldn't use brave and the bold as an example.

He frequently loses in that show and has to be saved by other heroes. It parodies the idea of him being an invincible hero..

Again, I've been reading comics for a very long time, and this quite simply is not a thing.

Maybe you're thinking of Tower of Babel, in which Batman came up with contingencies which Ra's Al Ghul then modified to sneak attack the Justice League? Because the point of that story wasn't "Batman can easily beat the JLA" it was "the JLA were surprise attacked by somebody they thought they could trust."

You could maybe stretch The Batman Who Laughs' obnoxious rise to Big Name Villain status into that as well, but you could also then apply that sort of Writer Caveat to pretty much any villain the writers want to push as The Big Undefeatable Bad Guy Of The Week.

As noted, stuff like Brave And The Bold and Elseworlds are a big stretch. Pretty much everyone has an Elseworlds where they're the big hero and everyone else is a chump at this point. And claiming that Frank Miller in any way represents the way DC as a whole portrays any of its characters - or, really, represents any writer but Frank Miller is a really, really big stretch. There's a reason the guy is kind of a laughingstock these days.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 18th 2021 at 4:17:04 AM

It should be noted the Endgame example has him admitting that despite spending millions maybe even a billion dollars on the power suit it still wouldn't do much against the League aside from minorly inconveniencing them.

The only reason it worked was because the League was brainwashed meaning they were dumber and even then he barely made it out with his life and the suit destroyed.

Is there an Elseworlds where Condiment King is unbeatable? Because that would be funny.

There should be.

Wait, there's got to be a perfect name for this.

JLA: Crisis on Oregano Prime?

No, wait...

The New 52 Herbs and Spices.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 18th 2021 at 4:17:15 AM

"Ketchup, mustard, some sriracha for spice... they will all BEWARE THE CONDIMENT KING!"

He was still the only one among the Justice Lords who turned on them and in the Cadmus Arc he is the one most aware of the League's potential to become corrupt. It's why he recruited street levelers like Green Arrow in the first place.

We don't know if Flash wouldn't have gone along with the Justice Lords since he died.

"Wait Miller actually wrote Superman: Year One where Batman is a paranoiac idiot Superman has no problem against."

Miller has long claimed that his stories involving Batman, such as The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Strikes Back are told from Batman's perspective, or at least presenting Batman's vision of the world; he has further said that those stories would be noticeably different if presented from another character's perspective. Superman: Year One would seem to bear this out.

Personally, I think that's a bit of a cop-out.

According to the ymmmv page on Black Label this is what he wound up writing.

"Hilarious in Hindsight: For years, ever since Frank Miller infamously portrayed Superman as a Lawful Stupid government stooge in the Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, he said if ever got a chance to write a story from Superman's perspective he'd write Batman in an equally unflattering light. Come Superman: Year One, and he makes good on his promise: Batman is presented as a paranoid nutjob, armed with gadgets and pre-planned traps that either don't work or are utterly useless, all the while ranting nonsensically about how much better he is than Superman. A clear message from the man that popularized the debate, once and for all, that yes, Batman could beat up Superman ... but only if they were in a completely contrived scenario that made things even remotely fair and that anyone who would try to take on a near Physical God with nothing but gimmicky gizmos and determination would be absolutely insane."

I think it's less Miller writing a message that "actually, Batman is a loser who could never match up against Superman," as that entry tries to state, and more a sign that Miller can't write anything without turning characters into caricatures.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 19th 2021 at 11:21:31 AM

He's better when he's paired with someone tbh.

Dark knight : master race and Cursed we're decent and in those he wrote it with someone else who clearly curtailed his worst stuff. Lol.

Master Race is a real ironic case considering he got paired with the guy who made the Joker and the Amazons rapists.

Also that Cursed show is a surprising knowledge.

Uh Azzellero is a hit and miss guy kinda guy like Jason Aaron or mark millar.

When he's good he's good. When he's bad. He's bad.

Sadly his recent excursions have all been misses.

His current comic Suicide Squad: Get Joker is prolly one of the most sinfully boring pieces of shit I ever read.

It makes you question who the fuck greenlit this garbage until your remember "Oh right Joker and Harley are in it, quality control doesn't exist with those 2."

"...Miller can't write anything without turning characters into caricatures."

In general I agree. Possibly his abilities have gone downhill, or possibly that's just his preferred approach these days. His work is a lot more subtle and nuanced in Batman: Year One, for instance.

His Daredevil run is pretty great, too. I agree that Year One is way better than Miller's other Batman work. As for Azzarello, I haven't read his non-DCU work so I can't weigh in on it; maybe it's great. I think Azzarello's Wonder Woman run is the worst Wonder Woman run ever, even worse than Robert Kanigher. The only Azzarello Batman story that works for me is his Flashpoint tie-in, and Azzarello's much acclaimed Superman work doesn't do anything for me. For me, Azzarello is a "drop the book if he takes it over" writer.

Edited by StarformDCX on Sep 20th 2021 at 9:56:14 AM

I loved Azzarello's Wonder Woman run, but it was my first Wondy comic and I loved the whole Clash of the Titans on crack theme he was going for. I quite enjoyed Joker and Lex Luthor Man of Steel as well. His Hellblazer run was very mixed, though, ranging from very good to WTF am I reading?

I just now remembered his last series was Batman: Damned best known for the Batwang and a terrible Birds of Prey movie-synergy one-shot (feels like any Birds of Prey comic with Harley is unreadable). He was also the writer for the Killing Joke movie which yeah........

At the very least I did enjoy Joker and Wonder Woman (rape aside) and wish they kept the Cliff Chiang designs for the Olympians since Rucka's retcon of them has since reverted them back to the bland toga looks.

https://twitter.com/WBHomeEnt/status/1440405584226893824?s=19

It looks like a red band version of the trailer for the Injustice movie will come out tomorrow.

Here's the red band trailer for the Injustice movie.

Edited by jessicadicicco610 on Sep 22nd 2021 at 9:32:26 AM

Something ironic is that despite the fact that some complain that Frank Miller created the "Bat-God who can beat anyone as long as he is prepared," the reality is that he is not.

In the same comic, Batman is aware that he would not have a real chance against Superman under normal circumstances. And Superman's defeat was clearly a case of Worf Had the Flu

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Sep 22nd 2021 at 9:46:53 AM