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gibberingtroper Since: May, 2009
#1: Jul 8th 2013 at 5:17:11 AM

I don't mean to single out the Green Lantern fans. Every fandom has a somewhat insular perspective on the importance of storylines in their fandom.

But is every single story arc worthy of it's own TV Tropes page? Do we have a standard? Because there are a ton of story arcs in ongoing serial works such as comic books and with Status Quo Is God many of them are only influential to the fans.

To use Green Lantern as an example, Green Lantern Rebirth is probably worthy of it's own page. It brings back Hal Jordan after a decade, reconstructs his character and in the process lays the groundwork for the current lantern mythos that has become so popular.

Blackest Night is worthy of it's own page because its a massive event crossing over with most of the DC Universe.

To jump outside of Lantern fandom, Kingdom Come and All Star Superman warrant their own pages because they're stand alone stories outside ongoing continuity.

But Rise of the Third Army? I'll admit I haven't read it but just based on the synopsis it doesn't seem like this one is all that important. Its borderline to say the least. I mean, I can see the whole deal with the Guardians deciding to destroy free will as being controversial and that could warrant it based on the reaction.

I don't know. It just seems borderline. Especially with John's leaving the title, the Guardians could be retconned back into their original character status and this story means nothing inside of a year.

Where do we draw the line on what comic book stories warrant their own pages?

edited 8th Jul '13 5:38:57 AM by gibberingtroper

TheEvilDrBolty Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
#2: Jul 8th 2013 at 9:12:59 AM

It is a popularity contest.

The major Green Lantern arcs of the last decade strike me as equally distinct from one another as, say, individual Doctor Who serials and episodes (all of which receive their own pages) or major Marvel crossovers like Civil War and Siege (ditto).

Transformers has also gotten similar subdivisions lately, due to all of the major distinct permutations that the comic series has taken.

Think of them as Recap pages, separated into distinct pages as they are due to the nature of comics (sprawling serialized publication across numerous titles). If distinct segments are popular enough, they get their own pages instead of being melded into the main page - this is how every series on the site is handled. A Song Of Ice And Fire is popular enough that individual books have their own pages, and the TV show separate from the book page; Dragonlance by contrast has all of its books and movies on the same page.

Green Lantern has been one of DC's most important and central franchises of the 00's, separated into several distinct arcs that all received a lot of publicity. As such, those arcs get their own pages.

gibberingtroper Since: May, 2009
#3: Jul 8th 2013 at 9:38:09 AM

So basically if I think a story is worth starting a page over, its worth starting a page over. At least if its happening here its less likely to be happening on Wikipedia.

edited 8th Jul '13 9:38:54 AM by gibberingtroper

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#4: Jul 8th 2013 at 9:44:48 AM

No Such Thing As Notability.

I think the least TV Tropes needs is more restrictions on what not to do. I miss the days when we were more about what we could do.

gibberingtroper Since: May, 2009
#5: Jul 8th 2013 at 9:57:35 AM

But fan wank can consume a wiki. What if I were to write a full page devoted to Jimmy Olsen? Or Steve Lombard (after all, he has appeared in a lot of issues of Superman and was even in the latest Superman movie.)

So while I would err on the side of being less restrictive we do need some rules.

TheConductor Since: Jan, 2011
#6: Jul 8th 2013 at 10:24:26 AM

Jimmy Olsen should probably have his own page, he's had his own long running, influential series after all. Darkseid started as a Jimmy Olsen villain!

gibberingtroper Since: May, 2009
#7: Jul 8th 2013 at 10:26:21 AM

I thought You might say that about Jimmy. Which is why I went on to include Steve Lombard.

So the line seems to be somewhere between Olsen and Lombard.

Sometimes I feel like fans think they have a blank check to unload everything they know about their fandom. We have rules that control the way in which they do that but rules aren't perfect. Oh well.

edited 8th Jul '13 10:31:59 AM by gibberingtroper

imadinosaur Since: Oct, 2011
#8: Jul 8th 2013 at 10:37:01 AM

If it were to become a serious problem dragging down the wiki, I'm sure opinions would change and something would be done about it.

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#9: Jul 8th 2013 at 10:56:38 AM

I honestly don't think individual characters should have their own pages; it makes much more sense to have their tropes on the page for the series they appear in. I've argued this before, but was overruled by Fast Eddie, so I just have to put up with it.

As for storylines thought, why not? No such thing as notability, so if somebody wants to make a page for one, that's fine by me.

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#10: Jul 8th 2013 at 10:57:03 AM

Jimmy Olsen does have his own page.

I'm of the mind that if a particular Story Arc is gathering so many tropes (legitimate tropes and not people square-pegging stuff onto pages they like) that its overtaking a main page, than yeah it can have its own page.

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#11: Jul 9th 2013 at 10:41:04 AM

But fan wank can consume a wiki

Good thing this isn't fan wank, then. Case closed, have a good night!

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#12: Jul 9th 2013 at 11:32:07 AM

Isn't that a bit like saying only "important" episodes of a TV series deserve a recap?

I don't know. It just seems borderline. Especially with John's leaving the title, the Guardians could be retconned back into their original character status and this story means nothing inside of a year.

So? That has nothing to do with whether or not the arc deserves it's own page.

edited 9th Jul '13 11:33:23 AM by resetlocksley

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Imoo57 Since: Aug, 2012
#13: Aug 15th 2013 at 4:30:56 AM

Myth Arc - Yes

Story Arc - Ummmm

Though a Myth Arc could just be those main pages anyway.

edited 15th Aug '13 4:31:25 AM by Imoo57

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#14: Aug 15th 2013 at 9:07:36 AM

The Recap pages are borderline Fan Wank. The individual character pages of My Little Pony are definitely Fan Wank (I absolutely refuse to let this go). But the Story Arc pages? Not at all. No different than the Story Arc pages on The Other Wiki.

supergod Walking the Earth from the big city Since: Jun, 2012
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#15: Aug 20th 2013 at 5:01:28 PM

About characters having their own pages, it's understandable for characters like Robin, Wolverine, and Nightwing who've had long running and/or multiple books, but I'm not a fan of the villain pages. It's fine to have a page for something like Azarello's Joker, but I don't think he needs his own page, since you can just put all his tropes in the Batman character page. I'm not sure why Darkseid has his own page either, when you can put all his tropes under Superman, New Gods, or whatever specific story he's been in.

The Lobo page doesn't need to be "Self-Demonstrating", by the way. He's had his own books so he can should have his own page, but it should be under "Comic Book" like the pages I mentioned at the start. Speaking of the Self-Demonstrating thing, that was fine for Deadpool, since that's his schtick, but Magneto, Luthor, and Sinestro? Sinestro definitely doesn't need his own page either, since he's rarely involved with anything not involving the Green Lantern Corps.

edited 20th Aug '13 5:19:45 PM by supergod

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#16: Aug 21st 2013 at 1:58:34 PM

[up]YES! THANK YOU! I've been saying that for years, and only stopped because Fast Eddie himself stepped in and said it's OK for characters to have their own pages.

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Anteres Since: May, 2010
#17: Aug 21st 2013 at 3:01:51 PM

[up][up] I've not problem with the villains having their own page but the self-demonstrating articles (sans Deadpool) are, frankly, a pain in the glutes. They hamper the actual transmission of knowledge.

If I read the Lex Luthor page, I want to know the Lex Luthor tropes with examples. Seeing someone write how they think Lex would spin these examples just clutters things.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#18: Aug 21st 2013 at 6:44:30 PM

My rule of thumb is "If I like them, it's okay."

And I like them, so it's okay, and I don't overcomplicate it overthinking it.

(Smiles).

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