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So how long does he stay in power before someone else comes along?
In theory, this year and the next three.
In practice, he kinda already isn't, but even his position as the official face might not last depending on how many more scandals he causes.
But that's me being hopeful. Realistically speaking, I'd expect a Trump situation. We complain about him for four years, his more loyal base defends him blindly for four years, things get significantly worse for our country, and hopefully better people take his place and try to fix things when he's done.
But then, I don't expect I'll be in Brazil anymore by that time.
Wish I had the option of buggering off somewhere else.
Still, best of luck.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't have that option right now either. I'm working towards it with all my might, but short of a rowboat and some serious determination, I've got nothing right now. Maybe two years from now if I'm really lucky. But right now all I have is optimism.
Edited by TheLovecraftian on Aug 22nd 2019 at 8:33:42 AM
Well, judging by how much he seems to leave his team exasperated, I dare say some people are just biding their time to be able to kick him out of office and put someone less insane in his place - someone like Mourão, for example.
The problem? He's as authoritative, but much smarter. I honestly don't know which option is the least terrible.
Well, is he more or less likely to set the Amazon on fire (again)?
Equally likely, though with Mourão I expect he'd might have some sort of plan when it comes to it.
They're cut from the same cloth, after all.
In that case then, would he be setting more or less of the Amazon on fire?
About the same, but probably quieter (either via using quieter methods or by discouraging the press).
Nah, he seems the type of guy that would prefer a more subtle approach, maybe via bribery or using concession times (or whatever you'd call it) in media as leverage.
Whatever else you say about him, I do think Mourão would be much better for Brazil when it comes to International Relations, him not being such a Trump fanboy you expect him to give the man blowjobs in live television like Bolsonaro.
I honestly feel like no country deserves to have the Amazon. Like, this is not just Brazil, because I don't trust any country to do their part.
Come on, Japan did a pretty good job, especially the second time.
... And this is how I cope: by making terrible jokes.
I'm seeing people call for war with Brazil over the Amazon fires.
I can hardly blame them, to be perfectly frank.
Thank God I live close to the coast.
Most Brazilians would probably help the invading armies if that happened.
Look, if it's Evo vs Bolsonaro. It's gonna be a legit hard.moral.debate because Evo is far from.Democratic himself.
I find it really difficult to believe things would escalate to that kind of thing, even with Evo. Countries don't invade each other that easily anymore, especially countries with high international visibility like Brazil. Brazilians can all hope for some kind of external intervention, but really, we're stuck like this for the next three years unless we do something about it ourselves.
Specially when the countries doing the invading are quite a bit weaker than the one being invaded.
Maybe a coalition between other South American countries could balance the odds, but from what little I've read about it they tend to be at each other's throats more often than not.
Expect sanctions tho...however, those might made the Andean countries become closer to China...
I know this will sound weird for you Brazilian tropers, but I'm afraid of how this will affect the Left, or more specifically, Evo Morales. Bolsonaro, as much of a Anti Communist he is, is ironically helping a lot of Leftists to get the points they needed to recover since their moral failures during the Venezuela crisis. Thought in the other side, there also criticism to Morales due to people considering his reaction too late.
Edited by KazuyaProta on Aug 22nd 2019 at 6:29:09 AM
Oh, absolutely, but then the sanctions are, I feel, just about the only way to get these guys to stop and think about what they're doing.
I'm not sure I agree with you about the Left thing, though. I don't know much about how people see stuff like Morales outside of Brazil, but over here, he's seen as just as much of a lunatic as the president, at least by anybody with a modicum of sense. In fact, a big part of the Brazilian people's current problems are essentially Darkness-Induced Apathy, since we can't really find anybody to trust in our government or authority, nor can we find anything that would be better to replace it with. Sure, Bolsonaro's actions may strengthen the arguments of the left in all it's levels, but then Brazil has never really had a very strong Left to begin with, so I'm not sure if it's going to be enough to affect anything here.
And really, outside of Brazil, Trump is far more likely to have an effect than Bolsonaro is, even in the rest of South America.
I think you're underestimating the butterfly' effects of this on Latin America. Bolivians and Peruvians wouldn't take a country burning their lands without any pay (and even with it, the populace will complain).
Bolsonaro also lose his bits of good reputation among the Latin American Anti Communist right, who liked the idea of a anti communist hardliner to answer against the Venezuelan Crisis (Andean countries are receiving the biggest amount of refugees, it's a very personal situation). Which then...well, nobody knows for sure.
Latin American Politics are a mess. Brazilians are relatively "stable" (Big Right, weak Left. It's not so simple elsewhere)
Edited by KazuyaProta on Aug 22nd 2019 at 6:34:13 AM
I don't doubt there'll be serious repercussions to this whole thing. I just don't think they'll be as deep and altering as you think they will. People seem to have become really resigned to whatever's happening at the time these last few years.
But then, you do know Latin American politics better than I do, so I probably should listen to you.
One, can someone summarize how Bolsonaro managed to get into power? I vaguely remember reading something about this sometime ago on the Latin American thread, but I forgot what it was.
Two, who exactly is calling for war upon Bolsonaro/Brazil over the current Amazon fire disaster, so that I may pray for them?
Bolsonaro got into power due to a lot of factors, but probably the biggest one is people's dissatisfaction with the brazilian Worker's Party (the center-left party that ran the country since the early 2000's). People associated them with corruption and were heavily dissatisfied with the state of the economy so they saw Bolsonaro as the only alternative.
This was really dumb for a number of reasons, but people don't learn from past mistakes in this country. There was another president similar to Bolsonaro in a lot of ways (Fernando Collor from the 90's) who turned out to be a huge crook too, but I bet a lot of the people who voted for him made the same mistake again by voting for Bolsonaro and will continue to learn nothing.
Edited by Draghinazzo on Aug 22nd 2019 at 9:05:28 AM
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