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EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#151: Aug 14th 2014 at 10:48:00 AM

Guys, guys, guys, isn't there a point that's being missed here?

Even if the writing is garbage. Even if the animation is cheap. People can still enjoy such works anyway.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#152: Aug 14th 2014 at 11:01:21 AM

to bring up anime again, even less successful anime can run for a time that it breaktaking by American standards, because our industry doesn't encourage long runners in the same way.

That used to be true, but not so much anymore. Ongoing long running anime are a real rarity now; most of the newer franchises stick to a 12 or 13 episodes format, and while several reach a second season of that, it's very unlikely to get a fourth season and beyond.

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#153: Aug 14th 2014 at 11:16:14 AM

[up][up] Too bad people hate you if you admit to liking those kind of shows - usually for good reasons, like holding the industry in general back, or worse, encouraging the further creation and continuation of crap (that earns everyone's ire!).

In short - we can have only perfection. OR ELSE blood will be shed.

Even if I had different face, I AM STILL DISGRACED.
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#154: Aug 14th 2014 at 11:22:53 AM

[up]There's no such thing as a perfect show,but we need cartoons that are of high quality and have a lot of effort put into it.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#155: Aug 14th 2014 at 11:55:53 AM

I don't really have anything against Totally Spies, just that it's writing and animation issues are noticeable. Several of Marathon's show's are like that: I like Martin Mystery, but holy hell does it have its problems.

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#156: Aug 14th 2014 at 12:12:57 PM

[up],[up][up] NO. ARGUMENT. THERE. Both of you. [awesome]

Now fight over this [awesome] for me.

edited 14th Aug '14 12:13:30 PM by TheShopSoldier

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#157: Aug 14th 2014 at 12:21:58 PM

I will admit, I enjoyed watching Totally Spies when it was on TV, but only insofar as there was nothing else on at the time and I was young and stupid. Looking back, I don't think it's awful, but...it's got issues. Still fun in a cheesy, So Bad, It's Good kind of way, but not the kind of thing where I can understand its huge fandom.

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#158: Aug 14th 2014 at 12:36:53 PM

I don't remember if I liked Totally Spies as a kid or not (it's been years since I've seen any show on Miguzi that's not Teen Titans and maybe TMNT)

"There's no such thing as a perfect show, but we need cartoons that are of high quality and have a lot of effort put into it."

To quote/paraphrase Mr. Enter:

"Children who watch crap, will become adults who watch crap."

We need more shows that actually have effort put into (thankfully we have a few now: Friendship is Magic, Adventure Time, Gravity Falls, Korra, and Steven Universe are the most liked western animated cartoons nowadays).

I also agree with him that just because kids like a show, doesn't mean that it's a good show.

Anyways, I don't wanna see a teenager PPG show because it's kinda easy to screw up writing teenagers.

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EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#159: Aug 14th 2014 at 12:46:23 PM

Okay, so where do The Powerpuff Girls fall on this sliding scale of quality vs likability?

AfroWarrior27 Since: Apr, 2013
#160: Aug 14th 2014 at 1:05:32 PM

Sponge Bob Square Pants, for one - at least on the "poorly written and toyetic" sense. The Smurfs. The multitude of Yogi Bear movies, but particularly "Hey There, It's Yogi Bear." In fact, most Hanna-Barbera shows that had movies developed before the big adaptation rush nowadays

Whoa there cowboy, Spongebob use to be a bloody awesome show, I don't think that qualify as cheap or poorly written (the earlier episodes anyway.)

And most those show are classic, weren't those icons back in the day? Those for sure would get there own movies someday. Besides I was mostly referring to modern than the past.

edited 14th Aug '14 1:08:47 PM by AfroWarrior27

Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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#161: Aug 14th 2014 at 1:26:56 PM

"Children who watch crap, will become adults who watch crap."
Not necessarily. I'm sure there's a lot of crap you watched when you were younger that you don't even remember. Even still, though, everyone watches crap at some point, and everyone probably enjoys a piece of media that most people don't or is objectively terrible. Guilty pleasures are a thing, and even beyond that, Sturgeon's Law demonstrates that crap will always continue to be made. That 10%, though, will be remembered by historians.

[up]Nah, brah, Spongebob was never good.

Oh, and for the record, I never liked Harry Potter either. Not related to this thread, just throwing that out there.

edited 14th Aug '14 1:29:45 PM by Odd1

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#162: Aug 14th 2014 at 1:35:56 PM

[up][up] They were, but you did ask examples of shows that were made on the cheap yet got successful movies anyway. Spongebob is an example of having been poorly written (but not cheap, as far as I know) for a while yet still being popular and money-making enough to get a movie, and another upcoming movie on top of that.

I've been hearing rumors of Total Drama getting a movie too.

edited 14th Aug '14 2:12:53 PM by KnownUnknown

Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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#163: Aug 14th 2014 at 1:38:14 PM

I thought most SB fans feel the show was pretty well written prior to the movie.

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#164: Aug 14th 2014 at 2:25:37 PM

the film never released over here

It did, on CN 2-3 years ago.

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#165: Aug 14th 2014 at 2:44:34 PM

[up][up][up][up] Kinda true, I used to watch a lot of crap as a kid/middle schooler that I can't stand as a high schooler. Like the Diary of a Wimpy Kid movies aged horribly against my updated film watching standards.

Some other examples:

The Big Bang Theory

Family Guy

Modern Family

Sonic X

As far PPG on the sliding scale: I think it's slightly more likability.

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AfroWarrior27 Since: Apr, 2013
#166: Aug 14th 2014 at 3:00:51 PM

Edit: Never mind, misread your second comment.

edited 14th Aug '14 5:52:46 PM by AfroWarrior27

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#169: Aug 14th 2014 at 4:47:18 PM

It wasn't suppose to be that funny to begin with.

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AfroWarrior27 Since: Apr, 2013
#170: Aug 14th 2014 at 5:54:25 PM

Spongebob is an example of having been poorly written (but not cheap, as far as I know) for a while yet still being popular and money-making enough to get a movie,

You mean poorly written as of now or the old episodes as well?

edited 14th Aug '14 5:54:35 PM by AfroWarrior27

privilegedwhiteguy Since: May, 2014
#171: Nov 18th 2014 at 2:47:28 PM

It seems there is some resistance to my idea of a series of PPG teens. I guess I should explain my idea. I got it from reading one of the reviews on this site about the PPG special saying something along the lines of "you don't restart a series that's been over for more than a decade unless you've either been suddenly inundated with new stories to tell, or you've got the opportunity to take things in a new direction". Well Dance Pantsed shows that they are now out of ideas with the current format so it is time to take things in a new direction.

How different would this new direction be? Making the girls older would allow for new stories dealing with the issues of their new age. We could also use a more realistic animation style, perhaps something similar to Fusion Fall animation style? Make the episodes 22 minutes so issues can be tackled in more depth. The tone would be similar to the original series, mostly silly be with the occasional serious/dark episode thrown in. Also, keep the story format episodic, the PPG never struck me as the kind of show that would work well with a story arc.

Now, as for some stories involving an older PPG, let me toss out a few ideas:

Anti-Heroines: The PPG attend a summit for the World Superhero Association. They expect to deal with Major Glory and his jerkassery but what they find instead is much worse. Major Glory has been kicked out and the World Superhero Association is run by dark and edgy anti-heroes who spend more time wangsting than fighting crime. After getting mocked for being too light hearted, not having a traumatic back story, and being well liked by the city they protect, the girls attempt to renovate themselves as dark and edgy anti-heroes who respect no authority. This episode could be considered a metaphor for teen rebellion, although the whole thing would be played for comedy.

Wrath: The girls are on a school field trip, only for the bus to break down in the middle of nowhere. The girls try to fly to help, only to mysteriously keep ending up back at the bus. Worse, something is attacking the students, leaving them traumatized wrecks repeating madness mantra. This is all the work of a former student, a bullied girl who disappeared a year ago after getting pranked on prom night but has not returned, having developed telekinesis and limited telepathy (the ability to project nightmarish illusions into people's minds) and now seeking revenge on her tormentors. This episode is a homage to horror/slasher movies, and the villain an expy of Carrie. This will be a dark episode, in the same tone as 'Speed Demon' from the original series.

Puffing Bad: The girls suspect that their school chemistry teacher, 'Mr Might', is manufacturing and selling drugs under the alias 'Isenburg' and attempt to shut him down. Unfortunately, 'Isenburg' proves to be a much bigger threat than originally thought when he uses his chemistry knowledge to manufacture Antidote X, then infects the girls with it and attempts to murder them in their weakened state.

Do I really need to tell you what this episode is a homage to?

Monarch of the Darkness: PPG/Dexter's lab crossover. Mandark, under the alias the Monarch of the Darkness, is causing chaos in Townsville by hacking into the cities infrastructure, causing road accidents, pile ups and black outs for his own amusement. The girls can't fight him because they can't find where the hacking is coming from, so they enlist the help of Dexter, who can pinpoint Mandark's location, enabling the girls to fight through a wave of Mandark's robots and apprehend the trouble maker. It was strongly implied in the original show that Dexter's lab and the PPG existed in the same universe so I figure it only makes sense to make a crossover episode.

And that's just a few ideas of the top of my head. I'm sure professional writers could come up with more.

edited 11th Dec '14 2:33:25 PM by privilegedwhiteguy

KingKix Typing the internet since '90 from Dante City Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#172: Nov 18th 2014 at 3:22:24 PM

There's just one problem; PPG was NEVER MEANT to be dark and edgy. If this new series is going to take itself into a new route, so be it. I wouldn't even mind if the series is basically just one-upping Teen Titans go or Sonic Boom, making the girls more of a Slice of Life adventure, with fight scenes in small doses. Hell, the only thing that bugs most fans is just the art style(IMHO, it's experimental and cool, but it looks like a DA teen drew The Powerpuffs in the style of Parappa The Rapper)but that's just based on opinion, and mabey they can smooth it out once the series starts.

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privilegedwhiteguy Since: May, 2014
#173: Nov 19th 2014 at 4:31:35 PM

I'm not sure where you got the idea that I wanted PPG to be dark and edgy. I said that it would be in the same tone as the original, mostly humorous but with the occasional serious episode thrown in. I did mention an idea for an episode involving the PPG attempting to renovate themselves as dark and edgy anti-heroines, but it would be played for laughs.

As for Dance Pantsed, I didn't like it. The art style of the original doesn't look good in CGI, the animation was off, everyone seemed to be out of character, and the premises was dated (a dance dance revolution parody, in this 2002?). I don't think a series based on it would be a good idea.

edited 20th Nov '14 1:48:28 AM by privilegedwhiteguy

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#174: Nov 19th 2014 at 4:43:45 PM

[up]2012 is now dated? Wow.

Agree with the rest you said though I guess.

Supports cartoons being cartoony!

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