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What Has The Dark Knight Saga Added To The Batman Mythos?

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FantasyLiver Since: Oct, 2012
#1: Jun 10th 2013 at 10:04:47 AM

Don't get me wrong, I love The Dark Knight Saga. But, seriously, what new elements has it added to Batman? The Animated Series added elements like Freeze's backstory, Harley Quinn, and police blimps. Tim Burton's Batman added the grappling hook pistol, the all black suit, and gave Penguin his grotesque look that some people today use. Even the show with Adam West gave us Batgirl and revamped Riddler, as well as renaming Mr. Zero, Mr. Freeze.

So what does The Dark Knight Saga add to the table? Don't say that it revolutionized the superhero film genre. I'm asking what they have done to either improve or add to the Batman franchise.

TheEvilDrBolty Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
#2: Jun 10th 2013 at 10:07:39 AM

Nothing, really, unless John Blake becomes a Canon Immigrant.

Oh, and Joker with the scars and paint instead of the bleached skin. I have a feeling that that will show up in another adaptation at some point.

Yeah, the Saga synthesizes a lot of comic stuff, but really doesn't add much of value.

edited 10th Jun '13 10:07:54 AM by TheEvilDrBolty

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#3: Jun 10th 2013 at 10:11:59 AM

New Fans.

edited 10th Jun '13 10:12:30 AM by TobiasDrake

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TheEvilDrBolty Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
#4: Jun 10th 2013 at 10:20:21 AM

[up] That is very true. The Nolan movies have made the Batman comics the number one way that people get into comics now.

FantasyLiver Since: Oct, 2012
#5: Jun 10th 2013 at 10:28:14 AM

Upon thinking about this, I guess the "Baleman Voice". Whenever someone's parodying Batman nowadays, they'll typically adopt the "gargling marbles" voice.

TheEvilDrBolty Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
#6: Jun 10th 2013 at 10:30:49 AM

Is that really an addition from here? It felt to me like a way exaggerated version of what Kevin Conroy pulled off with a lot more subtlety.

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#7: Jun 10th 2013 at 10:33:28 AM

I know I'm in the minority, but I really liked the gargling marbles voice. He wasn't just masking his voice, he was trying to sound monstrous. Yes, it could be a bit silly on its own, but so could the big bat-ears, or the way all his gadgets look like bats, or the motorcycle that explodes out of the tank and does 180's on walls. Batman is a sum of the parts.

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FantasyLiver Since: Oct, 2012
#8: Jun 10th 2013 at 10:36:36 AM

[up][up] It is an exaggerated version of Kevin Conroy but it's also an exaggeration of Michael Keaton as well. All actors (with the exception of Adam West) who played Batman used a different, more manly voice for Batman. Bale just multiplied that by ten. I guess you could say they added that to the mythos.

[up] I liked it too. However, it can be fun to parody grin.

Also, they've kind of updated the Batsuit to make it more armor-like. Arkham City and Injustice both portrayed the Batsuit how it was portrayed in the movies.

edited 10th Jun '13 10:43:22 AM by FantasyLiver

TheConductor Since: Jan, 2011
#9: Jun 10th 2013 at 1:31:35 PM

By virtue of existing and having Batman in it, it's part of the Batman mythos....

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#10: Jun 10th 2013 at 1:34:48 PM

[up]I think he's talking about things that have been added to the comics, the 'core' Batman mythos.

Anteres Since: May, 2010
#11: Jun 10th 2013 at 2:04:58 PM

Probably too early to tell but I'd say that the comics have a strong independent identity right now so the bleed-over will probably be lessened by that. The comic doesn't need to take things from the movie.

FantasyLiver Since: Oct, 2012
#12: Jun 10th 2013 at 2:56:14 PM

It certainly doesn't need to but oftentimes when a blockbuster like this hits the screen comics, knowingly or unknowingly, adapt their comics more to reflect that. Example being when the 1989 film hit the screen, Batman comics and toys had the black suit he wore in the movie.

And mythos, in my mind, doesn't necessarily mean comics; it just means the core elements that you think of when you hear Batman today. Modern video games like Injustice and current action figures all reflect the mythos.

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#13: Jun 10th 2013 at 3:00:58 PM

[up] This is true. For example, there were a lot of different art styles for drawing Tony Stark before the Iron Man film came out, but after it was a huge success, Robert Downey Jr. became the definitive character model for Tony.

edited 10th Jun '13 3:01:12 PM by TobiasDrake

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Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#14: Jun 10th 2013 at 9:53:24 PM

I think you're right. It didn't really add anything, it just crystalized much of what was cool about what already existed.

TheEvilDrBolty Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
#15: Jun 10th 2013 at 9:59:15 PM

It did provide scientifically plausible versions of most of Batman's gear, at least, with probably more effort put into that than any other version of Batman.

TheConductor Since: Jan, 2011
#16: Jun 11th 2013 at 2:22:47 AM

(((I'd like to apologise, I misread the thread title as "Why has the Dark Knight Saga Been Added tot he Batman Mythos)

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#17: Jun 26th 2013 at 11:26:07 PM

In a meta sense it made Bruce Wayne Batman again.

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KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#19: Jun 27th 2013 at 11:03:09 AM

I guess s/he means that DC restored Bruce Wayne to the mantle in place of Dick Grayson so that new fans wouldn't be confused.

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#20: Jun 27th 2013 at 11:15:46 AM

I kind of wonder if it might play into a trend in sort of the opposite direction- the last movie (sort of) has an adult Robin who is implied to become the new Batman post-movie.

Even though past works (like the campy tv series as the Schumacher films) have had adult Robins, I think the character is generally thought of by the general public as a Kid Sidekick, but maybe the public is ready now for adult sidekicks (and the idea that the sidekick could take on the mantel).

Might be part of a trend- Bucky in the recent Captain America movie is a peer of (maybe even a bit older than) Cap.

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KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#21: Jun 27th 2013 at 11:46:36 AM

Robin is likely never going to be an adult sidekick. The entire reason he was created in the first place was to make Batman appeal more to kids, and it worked.

In the 80s, when Dick Grayson was still Robin, but grown, the execs were talking about de-aging him somehow and were only stopped when Marv Wolfman suggested replacing Grayson.

edited 27th Jun '13 11:48:10 AM by KingZeal

FantasyLiver Since: Oct, 2012
#22: Jun 27th 2013 at 11:49:48 AM

Although, I've had this question for awhile. With more and more circuses going out of business and adoption laws becoming less lenient, how do you think they can update Dick Grayson's origin for a more modern audience while still staying true to the character?

Hodor Cleric of Banjo from Westeros Since: Dec, 1969
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#23: Jun 27th 2013 at 11:57:41 AM

(Not sure if this applies to any Robins in the comic books) Have him like living on the street, having run away from a foster home at some point- maybe he would try to mug some rich guy who turned out to be wealthy philanthropist Bruce Wayne.

Alternatively, as I'm suggesting, do some combination of the end of Dark Knight Rises and Batman Beyond- like have Batman out of commission either temporarily or permanently and have an ally take up the mantle.

Or similarly, have someone put on a costume inspired by Batman and end up let in on his secret identity.

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#24: Jun 27th 2013 at 11:58:05 AM

Make him a mail-order bride from a third-world country.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#25: Jun 27th 2013 at 12:43:31 PM

[up][up][up]Cirque Du Soleil is still going, right? Can always make Robin a part of that. Alternatively, you could always have him and his family involved in Olymic gymnastics or something like that.

As for adoption laws, I don't think you need to worry about it if we're keeping Gotham as "living hellhole".

[up][up] We've already tried that though.


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