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Larkmarn Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Jun 5th 2013 at 5:37:30 AM

Came from this IP thread

So there seem to be a few tropes at play here. The description and name are clearly about a planetary version of A Villain Named "Z__rg", but the image suggestion, quote, and some of the examples are about "Description + generic suffix."

As-is, one I Per's comment that it just seems like a list of fictional planet names rings a bit true, especially if there's misuse this early (it's a young trope), with examples like Trisol (a planet with three suns) getting added that doesn't even fit either description.

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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Jun 5th 2013 at 5:59:17 AM

I think this page convolutes (at least) two tropes. "Planet name that sounds vaguely like Zrg" is a trope, sister trope to A Villain Named "Z__rg". "Planet that is a descriptive noun with a generic suffix" (like tropolon or funktron or swampica) is a different trope. "Planet name that I think sounds cool" is not a trope.

To me, this appears to be about naming a Planet of Hats. If a planet's hat is cowardice, then whether it's named Bunnylar or Rabbitron should make no difference. Planet names of "descriptive name + suffix" appear all the time in parody series, such as Futurama (Wormulon, Amphibios, Igloopiter), Sin Fest (Orphantron, Furrytopia), Earthworm Jim (Insectika), or Space Quest (Pestulon).

So I suggest restricting this trope to "planet names that sound like zrg", and YKTTW'ing a new trope for "descriptive noun + suffix" planet names.

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Jun 5th 2013 at 6:08:16 AM

I agree.

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Jun 5th 2013 at 6:09:40 AM

+1 to Spark's suggestion.

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Jun 5th 2013 at 7:11:07 AM

I also agree with Spark.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Jun 5th 2013 at 7:16:16 AM

I agree with that idea, providing that we have some examples and a description for the trope to YKTTW.

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Larkmarn Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Jun 5th 2013 at 7:44:24 AM

In the YKTTW, could we expand it to not just planets but also countries that have names like Tropeyland? Or do we have that one already?

edited 5th Jun '13 7:44:34 AM by Larkmarn

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
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Jun 5th 2013 at 7:46:27 AM

Doesn't sound like a bad idea.

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Jun 5th 2013 at 9:16:16 AM

But what about the existing definition, which basically reads (to me) as Xtreme Kool Letterz for planets?

(IOW, I'm not at all sure the characterization of the trope in the OP is correct, which just highlights the problems it has.)

edited 5th Jun '13 9:17:01 AM by Leaper

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
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Jun 5th 2013 at 9:39:02 AM

Well, here it also has the narrative purpose of making the name sound alien.

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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Jun 5th 2013 at 12:44:46 PM

The current trope basically is a subtrope of Xtreme Cool Letterz, yes, as is A Villain Named "Z__rg".

I think I've already provided sufficient examples to YKTTW the other part, and I do believe that noun-plus-suffix countrynames are the same trope.

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Jun 5th 2013 at 1:18:16 PM

If no one else does it, I'm going to make a YKTTW for it tonight or tomorrow. Any thoughts on names? I'm thinking Descriptionland.

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Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions
Jun 5th 2013 at 2:40:26 PM

Why not Tropelon? Or Hatulonia/Hatulfrey/Hatulon? Either way, the current page quote should go there.

edited 5th Jun '13 2:43:41 PM by Rethkir

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Jun 5th 2013 at 3:09:43 PM

[up] I'd say something like "Planet Descriptulon" - it probably should have "planet" in it to be clear, and probably incorporate the word "descriptive" or something similar to define the trope clearly. "Tropelon" falls into the "'trope' as placeholder" trap, and incorporating "hat" in the name would probably confuse people who don't know about Planet of Hats.

edited 5th Jun '13 3:10:38 PM by BlueGuy

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Jun 5th 2013 at 4:11:57 PM

[up] I like that suggestion.

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Jun 5th 2013 at 9:56:59 PM

[up][up] [tup] Planet Descriptulon? Now that concise, clear and witty. I like it a lot.

Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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Jun 5th 2013 at 10:29:18 PM

But would it also cover countries? In fiction, is this primarily used for countries or for cities or for planets? Do we want sister tropes for Nounburg, Nounistan, and Nounulon?

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
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Jun 5th 2013 at 11:14:04 PM

We already do have the tropes Descriptiveville and Premiseville.

If we want separate tropes or not depends on if Duckburg should be on the same page as Cybertron. I think separate tropes might be an idea.

edited 5th Jun '13 11:15:09 PM by AnotherDuck

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Jun 6th 2013 at 12:15:46 AM

I think that we are splitting too many hairs then. No reason why Hatron and Descriptiveville should be on separate pages.

Add some redirects, maybe.

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Jun 6th 2013 at 12:57:30 AM

I see that Descriptive Ville already covers e.g. countries, and it's not that long, so I would be fine with it covering planets as well.

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Jun 6th 2013 at 3:56:40 AM

That makes sense...I'd be fine with that.

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Jun 6th 2013 at 5:36:48 AM

Works for me.

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Jun 6th 2013 at 10:06:04 AM

Eh.. it doesn't really mesh that well with the pre-existing examples. [tdown] to that suggestion.

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Jun 11th 2013 at 2:24:15 PM

Shall we crowner it, then? Some people argue that "descriptively named planet" is the same trope as "descriptively named town, country, or region", and some people argue that it's not.

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