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DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
#26: May 30th 2013 at 10:38:52 AM

We have 6 agreements on Reality-Breaking Paradox (myself included even though I suggested it). Do we need any more votes to call it unanimous?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#27: May 30th 2013 at 10:41:10 AM

Ahem, this isn't Image Picking. Also, we need to know what to make with the old name.

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#28: May 30th 2013 at 10:42:30 AM

I think the old name should either be a disambig, or should be about literal divisions by zero (of which there are a number of examples already).

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
#29: May 30th 2013 at 10:58:41 AM

[up][up] I was only wondering.

Divided By Zero is a pretty well known phrase because of it memetic affiliation. I don't think it would be well received afterward if it was about literal divisions by zero.

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#30: May 30th 2013 at 11:02:23 AM

I like RBP, so seven.

Literal divisions of zero, not sure what a disambiguation would point to aside from the random misuse that partially came from a weak description.

Edit: I'm not familar with the meme being referenced.

edited 30th May '13 11:03:44 AM by crazysamaritan

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DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
#31: May 30th 2013 at 2:05:28 PM

[up] just do a google image search. Basically, anytime you divide something by itself or by zero, you create a black hole in the fabric of space and time.

StarSword Captain of USS Bajor from somewhere in deep space Since: Sep, 2011
tryrar Since: Sep, 2010
#33: May 30th 2013 at 10:14:37 PM

Adding my own echo for RBP

Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#34: May 30th 2013 at 11:37:00 PM

Reality-Breaking Paradox works for me.

As for what to do with Divide by Zero, not sure. My first inclination is to use it as a redirect to RBP (or whatever is finally decided, if not that), and zap Real Life entries (or at least the ones talking about the mathematical concept).

While I don't see any problems with that, I'm not absolutely certain, hence "first inclination" and not "this is what should be done".

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#35: May 31st 2013 at 2:15:21 AM

Thinking about it some more, "dividing by zero" in the literal sense is not a trope; it's an abstract mathematical concept that many people don't realy understand. So redirecting it would arguably be better than keeping it as a separate page.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions Since: Mar, 2013
#36: May 31st 2013 at 9:27:45 AM

That sounds good to me. Redirect Divide by Zero to Reality-Breaking Paradox.

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DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
tryrar Since: Sep, 2010
#38: May 31st 2013 at 4:06:23 PM

Yup, agreed on redirect. Do we need a crowner to make this official?

edited 31st May '13 4:06:56 PM by tryrar

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#40: May 31st 2013 at 4:40:50 PM

Divide By Zero should be deleted because it's a preexisting term. It's not directly related to the subject, and as long as there's a redirect, there will be misuse as contributors think it's a separate trope.

Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#41: May 31st 2013 at 5:01:36 PM

As of this post there are 496 inbounds for Divide by Zero. There's no way it would get cut with that much traffic, so redirect is the next-best option.

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Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions Since: Mar, 2013
#42: May 31st 2013 at 5:29:09 PM

We could at least clear the redirects Division By Zero and Divided By Zero since there are only 5 examples each.

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DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
#43: May 31st 2013 at 10:17:35 PM

[up] We should at least do that much.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#44: Jun 1st 2013 at 2:36:43 AM

I want to see what Dividing By Zero is typically used for before making a decision about it's post-renaming featuring.

We'll probably need a crowner here too, since it's not a minor trope.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Melkior Since: Dec, 2011
#45: Jun 3rd 2013 at 8:55:01 AM

My own feeling is that after the rename, the description should have a note about the previous name and that literal division by zero isn't a trope, therefore there should be no examples for it.

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StarSword Captain of USS Bajor from somewhere in deep space Since: Sep, 2011
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#46: Jun 3rd 2013 at 9:32:19 AM

I think it'd be better put the Divide by Zero meme as an example under Web Original, which would put it further out of view. For example:

EDIT: Took off the pothole to the renamed tropes list.

EDIT 2: Removed reference to this being the former trope name.

edited 3rd Jun '13 11:07:05 AM by StarSword

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#47: Jun 3rd 2013 at 9:54:20 AM

I like that.

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#48: Jun 3rd 2013 at 9:57:22 AM

We don't generally have pages for memes, I think.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
StarSword Captain of USS Bajor from somewhere in deep space Since: Sep, 2011
Captain of USS Bajor
#49: Jun 3rd 2013 at 10:13:36 AM

No, but they can still provide examples for tropes. I think.

We do have a smattering of older pages for memes namespaced to Web Original but I don't think we're making any more. As far as the potholes the first goes to the renamed tropes list (pothole can probably be removed without harm), and the other goes to an Analysis page on mathematical division by zero.

edited 3rd Jun '13 10:15:13 AM by StarSword

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#50: Jun 3rd 2013 at 10:27:19 AM

@45/46: I have to object in principle to mentioning "this was the Trope Formerly Known As X".

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PageAction: DivideByZero
4th Jun '13 9:18:53 AM

Crown Description:

Divide By Zero is essentially about reality-breaking paradoxes. As shown in the TRS thread, it has 78% misuse for (a) paradoxes that don't break reality, (b) apocalyptic events that don't involve paradoxes, or (c) mathematical division by zero.

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