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IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#176: Jun 17th 2013 at 9:56:25 PM

I was talking about when Terrestial Gods die, they should not remain as ghosts/spirits/or similar bodiless being with their powers intact for that just mean that when they die they turn into bodiless gods, which is starting to step on the shtick of the Celestial Gods (making them unable to interact with physical matter will make that even worse). I am suggesting that when Terrestial Gods die their bodies dissolve and gets reformed somewhere else where they get resurrected.

Edit: let's clear up on the gods before we move on. And maybe end up with a final version to be ready to be written up.

edited 17th Jun '13 9:57:48 PM by IraTheSquire

Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#177: Jun 18th 2013 at 11:13:06 AM

What happens to their spirits in between "dissolution of body" and "reincarnation"?

Vyctorian ◥▶◀◤ from Domhain Sceal Since: Mar, 2011
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#178: Jun 18th 2013 at 11:54:36 AM

Actively resisting being pulled into the celestial god, I think.

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Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#179: Jun 18th 2013 at 12:18:52 PM

What about those who want to/can't resist being absorbed into a Celestial God?

Also, before we move on I say we could make up a Terrestrial God and/or a Celestial one to have a registered example of how they should work.

@God of Awesome: I also have ideas for Ley Nodes and lines, and these ideas also relate to Spirits, I think.

... There was also something else about Gods and how the world works that I wanted to ask/say, but I forgot what it was... I like to write/say this kind of stuff because sometimes I remember them soon after I say that I forgot them.

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#180: Jun 18th 2013 at 12:27:37 PM

Examples would be good, and as for your question that likely be case by case depending on their relationship with there celestial god.

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IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#181: Jun 18th 2013 at 2:02:36 PM

I would say that the time between death and resurrection for a Terrestial God is always very short/instantaneous and thus doesn't matter.

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#182: Jun 18th 2013 at 2:04:38 PM

I was going to make it significant and killing a Terrestrial puts them down till the factors align correctly to resurrect them.

IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#183: Jun 18th 2013 at 2:09:33 PM

Problem with a downtime like that is that every time their Terrestial Gods die the Celestial Gods will lose their only means to do things since the cannot directly interfere with matter, which is the point of Terrestial Gods. And Celestial Gods cannot exactly stop Terrestial Gods from doing something dangerous as that is also the point of Terrestial Gods.

edited 18th Jun '13 2:11:15 PM by IraTheSquire

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#184: Jun 18th 2013 at 7:05:01 PM

Or maybe we could do it Exalted style. If a Terresty dies, he's dead and the 'Spark' of power the Celesty used on him goes back.

edited 18th Jun '13 7:05:25 PM by God_of_Awesome

IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#185: Jun 19th 2013 at 5:29:43 AM

I am not sure if we should copy Exalted so much either.

How about when someone becomes Terrestial God, it is their soul that gets changed and when they die, the soul returns to the Celestial God and very quickly it latches onto another dead body (has to be another dead body as the release of magical energy when a Terrestial God dies, which is a massive explosion, will annihilate their body)?

edited 19th Jun '13 5:30:11 AM by IraTheSquire

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#186: Jun 19th 2013 at 8:50:37 AM

Well, figurin' since Terresties won't be the main focus, unless you play a Terresty campaign, I don't think at least going 'T-Godhood is a Spark that ignites your soul. Your C-God's only got so many ill-defined number of Sparks. You kick the bucket, they get back the Spark.' Is too much like Exalted.

IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#187: Jun 19th 2013 at 2:07:52 PM

Fair point, though I do think if we can we should make playing as a Terrestial a viable option in this setting.

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#188: Jun 19th 2013 at 4:12:02 PM

Well, making them more mortal could be a part of that.

IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#189: Jun 19th 2013 at 5:10:19 PM

So we have two ideas for Terrestial deaths at the moment:

1) when they die, their souls will exit their bodies in an explosive manner and destroy their bodies in the process, forcing their Celestial Gods to place their souls in another dead body to resurrect their servants

2) when they die, their soul returns to normal and the spark that made them gods return to the Celestial Gods, who can then ascend another mortal to Terrestial Godhood.

Comments on either from others? Vyc? Vic?

edited 19th Jun '13 5:10:57 PM by IraTheSquire

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#190: Jun 19th 2013 at 5:14:00 PM

For 1, less explosey and more fadey. Depending on the god. And less another dead body, necessarily, and more resurrect by whatever means possible.

edited 19th Jun '13 5:14:59 PM by God_of_Awesome

IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#191: Jun 19th 2013 at 5:21:54 PM

Ok. The ideas:

1) when they die, their souls will exit their bodies which then fades away (or the souls exits in an explosive manner and destroy their bodies in the process, your call), forcing their Celestial Gods to resurrect their servants via any means necessary (like place their souls in another dead body).

2) when they die, their soul returns to normal and the spark that made them gods return to the Celestial Gods, who can then ascend another mortal to Terrestial Godhood.

edited 19th Jun '13 5:22:44 PM by IraTheSquire

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#192: Jun 19th 2013 at 5:36:38 PM

3) They die and their souls linger around their C-God until a) they get their asses resurrected or b) someone banishes their soul deeper into their C-God who precedes to naturally reabsorb the Spark. So b results in the T-God being Deader than Dead, their souls moving on to their proper afterlife, usually right where they were banished.

Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#193: Jun 19th 2013 at 5:40:38 PM

I'm not sure what to say about Terrestrial Gods because they kind of look like my idea for Heroes, and I was awaiting until we are discussing Ley Nodes and lines to talk about my ideas for Legendary Stuff (Spirits, Heroic Beings and others).

And I forgot to say earlier my idea for Terrestrial Gods' deaths I had today: when they die, part of their energy returns to the Celestial God, and part rains at the material plane, feeding the natural flux of magic, might affect Ley Nodes and related beings. Also, if it was a god who killed other, the murderer can/will absorb some of the magic from the dead. Even if just in the shape of raw power.

[up]I kind of like b, but not so much a.

IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#194: Jun 19th 2013 at 9:09:19 PM

[up][up] Hang on, wait. I think we jumped a step here.

Are we going to do afterlife in the first place (probably yes as this is more fantasy than anything)? If so, is reincarnation supposed to be a common thing that is supposed to be expected or something unique and special or does not happen at all?

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#195: Jun 19th 2013 at 10:15:38 PM

The afterlife in 1st Ed worked like so:

*Ya die.
*Your soul enters the Aether, the Astral Plane, the Plane of Thought and Emotion.
*Like attracts to like, so your soul goes to a place of the Aether that is like yourself where other people like you are. If you are a bad person, you go to a bad place, and so on.
*Your soul slowly lets go of the baggage of life, forgetting. Slowly, the soul is drawn back to the Material the lack of memories, emotions and thoughts means the Aether loses its grip.
*Ya get born.

IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#196: Jun 19th 2013 at 10:25:25 PM

Question: can we create souls? Given that souls can get destroyed from time to time (given how the new magic works now) I think we should at least make that a possibility.

edited 19th Jun '13 10:25:36 PM by IraTheSquire

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#197: Jun 19th 2013 at 10:29:08 PM

When could they be destroyed?

IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#198: Jun 19th 2013 at 11:02:12 PM

From here:

That gives me another idea: while souls can be used to tap magical energy, doing so can damage the soul. The more energy extracted, the more damage until it is destroyed. That gives an incentive for evil being to collect souls as the more souls means more energy can be extracted at any one time (and fixes the old problem of "why the heck would anyone want your soul" when people deals with demons/devils).

So if you use a soul to pull too much magical energy through to power an extremely powerful spell, you can destroy the soul. This makes extremely powerful magic very dangerous to the caster if they are using only their own souls and gives incentive for evil mages/demons to take other people souls (so that souls are actually useful for something).

I have a bunch of idea (cultures and events) that can utilize this.

edited 19th Jun '13 11:08:22 PM by IraTheSquire

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#199: Jun 20th 2013 at 1:17:27 AM

Huh, lemme think about that. That bothers me a little, and I'll get back to you on why.

Vyctorian ◥▶◀◤ from Domhain Sceal Since: Mar, 2011
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#200: Jun 20th 2013 at 5:25:25 AM

3, sounds good.

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