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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#23326: Jul 31st 2025 at 10:18:23 AM

[up][up] Well, we def have to ask whoever wrote the prophecy in the first place.

Ralsei doesn't even know who exactly the girl is supposed to be, and keeps talking about how being kind might get a good ending.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#23327: Jul 31st 2025 at 11:43:35 AM

The girl will learn Love.

And the Weird Route is all about making a girl into a violent person.

-Witty line-
Ego-Man25 Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#23328: Jul 31st 2025 at 12:06:24 PM

It's not lost on me that Toby Fox is having fun, mentally fucking with the fans who have Undertale in the backs of their heads as they play through Deltarune. At this point, I feel it's fairly safe to say, in retrospect, that Undertale is more a proof of concept for what Deltarune could potentially tackle, thematically speaking. The characters being colorful as they are, the comedic, wacky hijinx, juxtaposed with genuinely chilling, dramatic storytelling that can whiplash for you if you aren't careful, and of course anything and everything to do with the SOUL.

With that being said... I stand by King being a fun character to fight violently, over being pacified. I like that there are specific cases, where you aren't the asshole for applying more lethal force. That alone does LOADS in making this game feel distinctly different from Undertale, personally.

Self-professed Wild Card who thinks cynicism isn't so bad.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#23329: Jul 31st 2025 at 12:45:42 PM

You ever wonder if Toby Fox is right here, pretending to be a troper, and chatting with us?

He could be anyone.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Ego-Man25 Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#23331: Jul 31st 2025 at 12:48:08 PM

He could be you, he could be me.

He might even be Blackress.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Blackress Since: Dec, 2019
#23332: Jul 31st 2025 at 12:51:02 PM

Or it might be Red. You just never know.

ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#23333: Jul 31st 2025 at 12:51:15 PM

Toby Fox is the Knight

-Witty line-
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#23334: Jul 31st 2025 at 12:51:46 PM

You know, it would be a PRETTY funny move to spoil my own game under the guise of sharing theories that people hate.

wink

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Ego-Man25 Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Neonocto Fire Chara! from Eight's apartment. (Troper in training) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Fire Chara!
#23336: Jul 31st 2025 at 12:57:50 PM

Or there could be a reason why I only re-started posting in here after Toby fox secretly being a troper was brought up.

Arson!
SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#23337: Jul 31st 2025 at 12:58:46 PM

Among Us but the imposter is Toby Fox.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#23338: Jul 31st 2025 at 1:00:13 PM

It would be funny if a game dev was among us in the thread of their own game.

If I ever become a game dev, maybe I should do that for shits and giggles.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Blackress Since: Dec, 2019
#23339: Jul 31st 2025 at 1:10:40 PM

Reportedly the Mike look-a-likes are based on various fan-interpretations of what the fandom thought Mike would look like. So it's all but guaranteed they're keeping an eye for what the fandom's cooking.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#23340: Jul 31st 2025 at 1:13:35 PM

Hell, Gerson's letter to his son feels like Toby Fox encouraging his fans to create without feeling pressured by how big a shadow Undertale casts. I love the bit where Gerson tells Susie that his book was based on a prophecy and everything is based on something but it's how we tell the tale that sets us apart.

Since you know, Toby Fox got his start as an Earthbound fan. More kids know about Chara and Flowey, than ones that know Ness and Porky.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 31st 2025 at 4:18:47 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Ego-Man25 Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#23341: Jul 31st 2025 at 2:00:36 PM

Though, to be clear, Pokey "Porky" Minch is a legendary Nintendo Villain. Something about his speech starting off stunted and simple, but growing increasingly eloquent and verbose as the game progresses, and he continues down his villainous corruption path.

That being said, it does feel like it isn't JUST Earthbound territory with Deltarune.

Self-professed Wild Card who thinks cynicism isn't so bad.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#23342: Jul 31st 2025 at 2:02:10 PM

Yeah, Deltarune and Undertale took a lot of inspiration from other games like Live a Live, but Earthbound is special because Toby got his start as a DJ on the Starman.net site and a rom hack of Earthbound with lots of swears and dated portrayals of homosexuality.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Neonocto Fire Chara! from Eight's apartment. (Troper in training) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Fire Chara!
#23343: Jul 31st 2025 at 2:04:24 PM

[up][up]it should be Porky "Pokey" Minch, since Pokey was the overseas name. Oh God, I know that information off the top of my head...

Arson!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#23344: Jul 31st 2025 at 2:06:50 PM

They mistranslated that name but kept all the pig jokes.

That's still so weird to me.

But yeah, if I ever meet Toby Fox at a con or something, I'd LOVE to ask him what he thinks about Porky and Giygas. That's legit the only thing I want to ask.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Blackress Since: Dec, 2019
#23345: Jul 31st 2025 at 2:11:33 PM

To be fair that sort of thing happens a lot. Super Mario RPG on the SNES had a "Peach tastes like Peaches" joke back when she was still known as Toadstool.

Neonocto Fire Chara! from Eight's apartment. (Troper in training) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Fire Chara!
#23346: Jul 31st 2025 at 3:12:25 PM

[up][up]Giygas definitely had an effect on the tobster. Omega Flowey has almost the exact same vibes of pure "Oh fuck" as a (final) boss.

Arson!
ShinyCottonCandy Everyone's friend Malamar from Lumiose City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Everyone's friend Malamar
#23347: Jul 31st 2025 at 3:13:10 PM

This is awesome.

Someone recreated the Chapter 3 minigames in WarioWare: D.I.Y..

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Archsage Professional Simp from My House Since: Apr, 2022 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Professional Simp
#23348: Jul 31st 2025 at 3:15:39 PM

Speaking of the Neutral Route in Undertale, I think it's very interesting how its the only Route where we completely lose power over the Save feature. On Pacifist and Genocide we still retain control over it but not Neutral. Which makes me think that in Deltarune if we start and then abort the Weird Route, we'll lose something. I'm not sure what, but I'm convinced the game will fundamentally punish us for not being determined enough to finish what we start.

Best advice I ever got? Keep repeating the joke till everyone is forced to laugh.
Ego-Man25 Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#23349: Jul 31st 2025 at 3:20:06 PM

It would appear then that Toby Fox has a thing against people not committing all the way to something.

Self-professed Wild Card who thinks cynicism isn't so bad.
SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#23350: Aug 1st 2025 at 8:49:56 AM

Okay, joke theory time. If this is somehow true, then I need to see an exorcist.

Jockington is the Greater-Scope Villain and the demon summoned by Kris and Catti who replaced the Vessel in life and memory. That’s why he’s important in the prophecy.

Time to get back to smoking crack.

Edited by SatoshiBakura on Aug 1st 2025 at 11:52:33 AM


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