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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#23051: Jul 23rd 2025 at 8:28:54 AM

I remember being dumbfounded that Toby went that that far for the metaphor.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
AnotherMan Person, or Idea? from a solitary place Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Person, or Idea?
#23052: Jul 23rd 2025 at 8:29:32 AM

This talk about the optional bosses in Deltarune's chapters makes me wonder what the chapter 3 and 4 bosses would have been like if they had shared more of the elements Jevil and Spamton had, instead of going in their own direction.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#23053: Jul 23rd 2025 at 8:36:34 AM

I mean, the Knight and Gerson do fit in with the other secret bosses if you think about it.

Feels like a hint about what the Knight is. Especially regarding freedom.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Neonocto Fire Chara! from Eight's apartment. (Troper in training) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Fire Chara!
#23054: Jul 23rd 2025 at 8:37:49 AM

[up][up][up]I think the reason it works is because on a pacifist run, you never see the "your love increased" text, so it's a way to show that Flowey wasn't completely full of bullcrap

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ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#23055: Jul 23rd 2025 at 10:32:02 AM

So is Deltarune in game seen as an object, a title, a person an event, a saying or something else?

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DarkJediPrincess Just 'DJP' for short from Fernandina Beach, FL (Ancient one) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Just 'DJP' for short
#23056: Jul 23rd 2025 at 10:39:04 AM

[up] It’s the “winged heart over triangles” symbol we see in various places in the game itself, although it’s called “the Delta Rune” when referred to that way. That symbol is also in Undertale and has the same name there.

Edited by DarkJediPrincess on Jul 23rd 2025 at 1:41:18 PM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#23057: Jul 23rd 2025 at 10:41:23 AM

the knight was the Deltarune all along!

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#23058: Jul 23rd 2025 at 10:42:30 AM

So as someone who still thinks Kris is the Knight and it's a collective identity thing, there's this video that has the similar train of thought but also added in things I didn't consider.

Like how 8-bit Kris being a seperate entity from Kris could be a hint towards the Knight's true nature, and that the Knight MIGHT actually be Kris's future self.

I did consider the possibility that the game's events have already happened but damn, I didn't know the crystals showed ominous things like Susie glaring angrily at Kris.

Interesting.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Blackress Since: Dec, 2019
#23059: Jul 23rd 2025 at 12:14:42 PM

There's a theory that proposes the Shadow Crystals might show an alternate reality, if not the events of how thing should be going in the original prophecy. Susie looking at Kris angry, and Noelle whispering something to them would make sense if we assume it's a reality where Noelle ended up becoming the 2nd hero and Susie remained an enemy. And yet, Kris seemingly having no hand when the glass reflects on them has 2 different readings:

Either Kris has no hand or loses it in that reality, or Kris in it is not the 1st first hero, and is thus not there.

The video also reminded me of something surrounding "UNUSED" that people often ignore. In the context Spamton "channels" them, is when speaking of fears. Kris' fears, to be exact:

[FEAR #1]
Spamton: WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF??? ACCORDING TO [[Encyclopedia of]] [[Being Afraid]]
THERE'S NOTHING TO FEAR EXCEPT
...
Unused (through Spamton): ... can anyone hear me? Help...
Spamton: HUH??? WHAT?? NO, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING JUST NOW!!!
... BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE THEY WERE TALKING TO YOU.

Edit: Spamton also never brings up this exchange again if you press it...

EDIT 2: It's also possible Spamton speaks of something the player/SOUL should be afraid of. Though if you ask me, I lean heavily with the first interpretation given Spamton (in the normal route at least) is unaware Kris & the SOUL aren't the same entity.

Edited by Blackress on Jul 23rd 2025 at 12:45:50 PM

ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#23060: Jul 23rd 2025 at 12:45:48 PM

I was thinking the crystals break through the Dark World illusion to show what the place actually is. Using one in Chapter 1 and 2 tell you that for a glimpse you saw the classroom and computer lab.

Odd how you CAN'T check spam these crystals. If you check it once, then every other time after that, it won't let you see through it again. I think if you reopen the save file that you can check again. But you can check the phone a billion times and its always the same.

[up]Before Chapter 3, I thought that voice was Dess and she was trapped.

Edited by ObligatorySarcasm on Jul 23rd 2025 at 3:47:09 PM

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DarkJediPrincess Just 'DJP' for short from Fernandina Beach, FL (Ancient one) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Just 'DJP' for short
#23061: Jul 23rd 2025 at 3:48:31 PM

The Knight rock split does me in more though.

Having now made it to the Knight battle, holy Hell, yeah, I’m consistently getting my ass kicked the first time they use it. I’ve mostly got the hang of the other one you mentioned, though.

I have the same interpretation of the Shadow Crystals and their function in the Dark Worlds. Don’t really know what a think about their function in the Light Worlds, though.

Edited by DarkJediPrincess on Jul 23rd 2025 at 6:49:01 AM

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MightyKombat I am he as you are he as you are me and we are a from in mai mouffff (Ten years in the joint)
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#23062: Jul 23rd 2025 at 4:33:48 PM

So Undertale Yellow had a small update little over a week ago.

Didn't think it was still getting updates.

Are explosions science?
AFan Since: Nov, 2022
#23063: Jul 23rd 2025 at 8:48:12 PM

Hang on, did the game get a patch that toned down the difficulty fighting the Knight Superboss?

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#23064: Jul 23rd 2025 at 8:49:23 PM

Yes, though it was only for the hall of swords attacks.

AFan Since: Nov, 2022
#23065: Jul 23rd 2025 at 8:53:44 PM

Oh shit, people complained about it so much that they had to nerf it? GOOD. That attack fucking SUCKED to deal with. It was so disorienting trying to watch the pattern, moved way too fast, and was basically my run killer when trying to take on the Knight. So glad they toned it down.

SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#23066: Jul 23rd 2025 at 9:52:51 PM

So another theory about the Knight that I have.

There is essentially a triad here for the side of “good”: Kris, who is acting as the body; the Soul, who controls them; and Gaster, who is allowing for the connection. In a sense, Deltarune is the exploration of the connection between the player and the player character.

In Undertale, Flowey acts as an Evil Counterpart thanks to his knowledge of saving and loading, which were the RPG concepts that Undertale focused on. So what if Deltarune did something similar with exploring the player-PC connection? Where the Knight, rather than just being Dess, is her body controlled by a second Soul? Someone with darker intentions and with a benefactor who is more malicious than Gaster?

wingedcatgirl mys. minty from the silly dimension from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
mys. minty from the silly dimension
#23067: Jul 23rd 2025 at 11:49:51 PM

There is a theory that the intro actually has two mysterious voices; the one that helps you build your vessel and the one that discards it. Perhaps that second voice is related to your theory.

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
Blackress Since: Dec, 2019
#23068: Jul 24th 2025 at 5:25:17 AM

Uh, did any one of you guys notice that during Tenna's defeat there would be weird "garbage tiles" during the static that makes him change channels?.

Well, turns out that was a PC-only bug that just got fixed. When those things showed up, you were supposed to see static instead.

ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#23069: Jul 24th 2025 at 5:31:16 AM

I found it odd how when you check things, half of the observations use parentheses. Is this indicating a different tone?

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ShinyCottonCandy Everyone's friend Malamar from Lumiose City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Everyone's friend Malamar
#23070: Jul 24th 2025 at 5:31:37 AM

[up][up]No wonder I didn’t know what that was when I saw people post it. I played on Switch (1 and 2).

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Jul 24th 2025 at 8:31:46 AM

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Neonocto Fire Chara! from Eight's apartment. (Troper in training) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#23072: Jul 24th 2025 at 5:34:57 AM

Also, just go make sure I'm not crazy, did anyone else during the Heart and Kris fight for the guitar get dialog from Susie and Noelle talking about Ralsei and Asriel?

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Blackress Since: Dec, 2019
#23073: Jul 24th 2025 at 5:39:27 AM

I play Deltarune on Switch as well, so I only found out about the weird static when seeing other peoples streams.

NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Meh-meh!?
#23074: Jul 24th 2025 at 5:46:30 AM

[up][up]Not by name, but I remember a bit where Susie accidentally mentions "us three" and starts talking about Ralsei indirectly by saying he's from another school out of town.

Don't remember anything to do with Asriel, though.

[down]...oh yeahhhh, that was it.tongue

Edited by NesClassic on Jul 24th 2025 at 8:58:39 AM

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SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#23075: Jul 24th 2025 at 5:48:48 AM

When Noelle is talking about her Dark World experience (thinking that it was a dream), she brings up Ralsei and notes his resemblance to Asriel. Susie points out that she noticed that he looked like Toriel, much to Noelle's confusion.


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