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Kylotrope The demon that comes when you call it's name from Hawaii Relationship Status: Abstaining
The demon that comes when you call it's name
Apr 17th 2019 at 1:32:26 PM

@Pushover that's extremely interesting to think about. I'm curious as to who else will come along.

Hi everyone! I'm new to this thread. I wanted to Discuss some Trope stuff for the YMMV page. That being I wanted to Discuss the Draco in Leather Pants and Ron the Death Eater entries for Chara. I'm not sure they fit, those tropes are for when Fans Ignore or Misinterpret The charachters canon Potrayel. Chara is Deliberately Meant to be Ambigious for the Player to Decide there morality.

That being said I COULD see keeping(Albeit rewriting) the Draco in Leather Pants entry, for the stuff about how Fans ignore that Chara "wasn't the nicest person" and By the end of the genocide route was undeniably evil.

I look at humans. I look at monsters. And all is see are parasites that must be destroyed. Human world ? Monster world ? All cesspools
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flap flap meow
Apr 17th 2019 at 4:07:08 PM

While Chara is largely ambiguous, I've seen both clearly-too-nice and clearly-too-mean interpretations — one thing the latter type frequently forgets about the Kill ’Em All route is that Chara credits the player as their partner and inspiration; yes, they're evil enough to murder everyone for EXP, but it was your Determination that put the idea in their head!

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Weirdguy149 The Shellfish Professor from Kanto University Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
The Shellfish Professor
Apr 17th 2019 at 4:09:47 PM

Never mind, disregard that.

Edited by Weirdguy149 on Apr 17th 2019 at 7:26:41 AM

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Kylotrope The demon that comes when you call it's name from Hawaii Relationship Status: Abstaining
The demon that comes when you call it's name
Apr 17th 2019 at 4:27:44 PM

Ron the Death Eater hardly just happens for Shipping, it's a common one yes. It can happen for a large number of reasons.

[up] Understood.

I should note that, while we put the idea in there head, they didn't have to follow it. The fact we inspired Chara to do become a Killer dosent really make It any less Charas fault they turned out this way.

I myself think we can keep the Draco in Leather Pants part, reason being that I've seen "Chara isn't evil" yelled in comment sections for Works even if there Post genocide(I should note I'm annoyed it's yelled at people at all)

Either way they should be rewritten, as both entries start by saying "Works that Potray Chara As good/Evil May or may not be this depending on there morality"

Edited by Kylotrope on Apr 17th 2019 at 4:28:12 AM

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WolfThunder Before the storm closes in, the wolf howls at th
Before the storm closes in, the wolf howls at th
Apr 17th 2019 at 7:19:13 PM

[up][up][up] "Both clearly-too-nice and clearly-too-mean interpretations" is a pretty good summary for how fandoms portray MANY characters.

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Bocaj Funny, but not helpful from Here Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny, but not helpful
Apr 17th 2019 at 7:39:19 PM

I’ll just say that we really only know Chara after they’ve died and lost their soul

The hints we get are ambiguous but seem to indicate that Chara was a person. A flawed messed up person but no saint and no monster

It still takes a huge shove from the player to get Chara on team murder everything

So how are we to judge? Chara alive and souled where their actions are set in stone? Or post mortem no soul mutable Chara whose personality depends on what the player teaches them?

Edited by Bocaj on Apr 17th 2019 at 10:41:17 AM

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RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
Apr 17th 2019 at 7:45:43 PM

It's important to remember that Chara is soulless during the game. They're literally incapable of feeling any kind of emotion but what Frisk makes them feel.

Kylotrope The demon that comes when you call it's name from Hawaii Relationship Status: Abstaining
The demon that comes when you call it's name
Apr 17th 2019 at 8:47:42 PM

This all Seems to be based on Speculation rather then what the Game itself says. This is about what the game tells us about Charas personality....AKA More or less Nothing. You could make a case from the game that they were a "Flawed but good person" but nothing Concrete.

My Overall point is works that Potray Chara As good isn't Draco in Leather Pants because the game leaves that possibility open. And portraying Chara As evil isn't Ron the Death Eater as the Game leaves that open as well. So at the very least the entries should be rewritten

I look at humans. I look at monsters. And all is see are parasites that must be destroyed. Human world ? Monster world ? All cesspools
God_of_Awesome Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Apr 19th 2019 at 8:20:56 AM

Who is a Harry Potter character we know very little about or how they act and could literally go in any direction? Maybe that should be the new trope name.

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AlleyOop Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Apr 19th 2019 at 9:21:06 AM

O.C. Stand-in? But they're usually unimportant characters, rather than important but deliberately left completely up to interpretation.

God_of_Awesome Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Apr 24th 2019 at 8:53:32 PM

Something I might write as little disconnected ditties. An adult falling into the underground, he's able to fight without killing due to maturity letting him hold back just enough. He goes around punching monsters, leaving them hurt but alive, punches his way through the underground. Gets to the end, shoots Asgore in the knees and then...

Well, I'd hint at him being a Dresden Files style wizard throughout, a PI to boot investigating all these missing kids. A suicidal one at that, who promised he'd off himself if he found another dead child. He takes one look at the barrier made by six mages, put the gun against his head and made it eat his death curse.

The spoiler aside, I dunno what he'd do at the end when confronted with the insurmountable barrier and even probably Omega Flowey.

CountofBleck The Cyber champion rises from A world of lies and deception Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Cyber champion rises
May 7th 2019 at 3:28:12 PM

The main grumps, Dan and Arin, are playing undertale for the first time after having a blast with Deltarune. Stream is live now!

Weirdguy149 The Shellfish Professor from Kanto University Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
The Shellfish Professor
May 7th 2019 at 3:57:55 PM

I thought Dan and Arin already played Undertale though.

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CountofBleck The Cyber champion rises from A world of lies and deception Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Cyber champion rises
May 7th 2019 at 4:26:33 PM

Nope, that was Barry and Ross on Steam Train. Arin and Danny played Deltarune a few weeks ago and decided to check this game out at last.

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