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Nouct internally_screaming.exe from No longer in the superior time zone Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
internally_screaming.exe
Nov 21st 2018 at 9:21:44 AM

Deltarune Thanksgiving Hack

Dirtyblue929 Armchair Developer from Secret Bunker Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Armchair Developer
Nov 21st 2018 at 12:19:19 PM

[up] "Kris! I heard you made a new friend today. Want to talk about it?"

> No

No

"Oh, no; I'm not brave enough for politics."
RedSavant Demon
Demon
Nov 21st 2018 at 4:24:47 PM

Why would someone make that? It's nothing but a crystallization of mundane human misery.

PushoverMediaCritic Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot! from the Italy of America Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot!
Nov 21st 2018 at 4:31:13 PM

That's exactly why someone would make that. Uncomfortable Thanksgiving family drama has become a meme at this point, and the Dreemurr family is the perfect example of a family that would totally have the worst Thanksgiving dinners.

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RedSavant Demon
Demon
Nov 21st 2018 at 4:38:32 PM

I mean, fair, but I also don't understand why people like wallowing in Asgore's misery.

Nov 21st 2018 at 4:39:37 PM

It's just kind of over the top and excessively negative like a lot of fan things like it.

Chariot Just as the spell says. Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
Just as the spell says.
Nov 21st 2018 at 5:08:11 PM

I mean it's a dark form of comedy. It's meant to be funny for all the wrong reasons.

darkabomination the Quantum Mechanic from cyberspace Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
the Quantum Mechanic
Nov 21st 2018 at 6:09:18 PM

It sucks to be Asgore in Deltarune, even more so than Undertale. He's not a king who at least had some glory days and a goal he contributed to. Here, he's a lonely dad who's had a split from his wife. And his best friend is likely dying of a disease. Not to mention living in a business that doesn't seem to be doing all that well.

"Less With The Sweet and Awesome, More With the Stabby-Hurty."
EviIPaladin Some Guy Or Something from Middle-Of-Nowhere, NS Relationship Status: Noddin' my head like yeah
Some Guy Or Something
Nov 21st 2018 at 6:45:16 PM

I mean, in Undertale, he murdered children, either by his own hand or by his orders. Considering that he's a soft guy, I get the feeling he would feel way worse about that than his actions in Deltarune.

"Evii is right though" -Saturn "I didn't know you were a bitch Evii." -Lior Val
PushoverMediaCritic Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot! from the Italy of America Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot!
Nov 21st 2018 at 7:02:03 PM

We don't know that Deltarune Asgore hasn't murdered children.

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Nov 21st 2018 at 7:07:53 PM

Yeah in Undertale Asgore was so wracked with guilt from his awful actions that in one ending he committed suicide. Compared to that, having his business fail because he can't stop giving away his product for free is an definite upgrade.

[up]Those soul colored flowers looked pretty suspicious, but for now I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt.

RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
Nov 25th 2018 at 8:34:39 PM

I can't believe I've been in this fandom for this long and only now heard of the Narrachara theory. I love it and I hope it's canon.

Edited by RodimusMinor on Nov 25th 2018 at 11:34:52 AM

EpicBleye being this pretty makes up for everything from the moon. send help. Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
being this pretty makes up for everything
Nov 25th 2018 at 8:36:22 PM

It's a theory in so much as gravity is a theory.

"Now, as I was about to say, are you curious about my mana tanks? And if so, just how curious are you?" ~Tamamo, in a few hundred years
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
Nov 25th 2018 at 9:17:40 PM

I wouldn't say that much.

I have a message from another time...
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything
Not really a lord of anything
Nov 25th 2018 at 9:23:51 PM

My only issue with narrachara is the whole "Chara wasn't really the greatest person" thing. Not because it implies Chara was evil, but because it pretty much leaves them in a sucky position where even their brother kind of thinks they were a jerk.

This song needs more love.
RhymeBeat Bird mom from Eastern Standard Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Bird mom
Nov 25th 2018 at 9:31:19 PM

I take that line in context. Asriel didn't just think Chara was a good person. He thought they were quite literally THE GREATEST person. Important enough to reset the universe over and over for.

Upon reflection Asriel remembers the flaws that were already there. Misanthropy, anger issues, reckless disregard for their own lives, a bit manipulative.

Besides Charrator is generally nice, but IDK if any of their niceness contradicts anything. They have a strong sense of misanthropy, but they seem to get along well with monsters, which makes sense as most of their advice is aimed at sparing them. Helping Frisk at all might be considered odd, but Frisk is implied to be a somewhat miserable runaway, just as Chara themself was. Even if they don't like humans in general, they might have empathy for a person in a similar position.

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
Nov 25th 2018 at 9:32:48 PM

That's vague enough that they could of been anything from a bit of a jerk who plays pranks down to the sociopath that used to be the most popular characterization.

Starting them from a less than ideal point also gives room for them to improve, assuming you believe in the theory. If they were a saint from the word go than the player's positive influence wouldn't mean much.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
Nov 25th 2018 at 9:33:16 PM

Also, dying twice probably has an effect on one's mental state.

A lot of stuff happened between the Buttercup Plan and the start of the game.

I have a message from another time...
RedSavant Demon
Demon
Nov 25th 2018 at 11:59:20 PM

Yeah, I really support the Narrachara theory. It's charming and makes a lot of sense, to me personally, and it provides a nice element of redemption for a character who, despite their flaws, was still just a child.

unknowing "GREAT AND GLORIOUS DESAPAIR!" from somewhere..
"GREAT AND GLORIOUS DESAPAIR!"
Nov 26th 2018 at 3:24:31 AM

Granted it feel kinda weird how chara never really show up until genocide when it become the "The demon who call when you call your name" a personal theory is that by that point chara stop being human and become not a monster but a being of pure, unfettered determination, bound to a single action over and over without stoping, kinda like a serial killer cross with terminator.

"There is only one truth in this life and that is DESPAIR!"
Nov 26th 2018 at 7:46:13 AM

There's also the very end of Pacifist where Flowey talks to Chara.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
Nov 26th 2018 at 1:47:41 PM

[up][up] that particular line only happens after a double Genocide, after selling the soul.

The way I see it, at that point, Asriel’s brother has all but ceased to exist as an actual character, and you’re talking to a personification of your ability, as a player, to control a game and its characters. They are that part of yourself that you put into a game when you play, from the moment you give your save file a name, until the moment you move on to another game.

I have a message from another time...
Nov 27th 2018 at 2:58:26 PM

The implication was always that your actions heavily influence Chara's personality over the course of the game (seeing as how they're more some kind of ghostly spectre now, rather than a real person with their own soul).

So they only become this embodiment of evil on the genocide route because of YOUR actions influencing them.

http://undertale.wikia.com/wiki/Chara#Genocide_Route :

Chara reveals that the protagonist's "human soul" and "determination" were the cause of their reincarnation and that the merciless events that occurred during the route lead Chara to realize that the "purpose" of their awakening was power.

Edited by Leaon42 on Nov 27th 2018 at 5:03:09 AM

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere
Planeswalker
Nov 27th 2018 at 3:07:03 PM

The way Chara kills Flowey at the end of a genocide run always makes me think it's revenge. So I don't doubt Chara had some bloodthirsty thoughts. Being a disembodied spirit probably does that to a person. But whether their spirit is calmed through a Pacifist run, indifferent in a Neutral run, or fully follows those urges is all up to the player. In my mind Chara only gains the power to act themselves if you do the Genocide route and Chara possesses Frisk somehow through The Power of Hate, but then a happy ghost probably doesn't need to take over in any way.

Oissu!

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