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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#226: Sep 27th 2015 at 11:44:51 AM

There are two solutions to that one though. Both of them are just line up though

Anyway, kinda disturbing that since golden flowers were brought up to underworld from seeds stuck to Asrial and fallen child's body, the reason why ruins has batch of them is because Toriel buried child there ._. While that does explain why she goes there to check that place and why she takes care of the flowers, its kinda disturbing you start the game by falling on a grave xD

Collen the cutest lizard from it is a mystery Since: Dec, 2010
the cutest lizard
#227: Sep 27th 2015 at 11:46:38 AM

What's up with the pile of flowers in the trash zone, then?

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#228: Sep 27th 2015 at 12:05:36 PM

Huh... Good point ._. Forgot about those...

...Yeah, seriously, what IS up with those True Lab logs state that Flowey is the first golden flower(from which others in Asgore's garden came from). Golden flower seeds came from fallen child's village from seeds that were stuck to body. Flowey is Asriel because things that get sprinkled with monster dust became fused with their essence. Toriel took child's body when she left and buried it so that explains the ruin flowers. I'm pretty sure I'm not forgetting anything. So WHERE the heck do garage golden flowers come from? X-x;

Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#229: Sep 27th 2015 at 1:10:55 PM

Just hazarding a guess here but maybe they grow around human corpses more easily? Are there any weapons found in or around the garbage dump?

Alternatively, since Alphys liked to hang out there after she withdrew from society, and she mentions how the seeds stick to you easily, it's possible some just fell off her and somehow started flourishing there.

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#230: Sep 27th 2015 at 1:13:51 PM

Well, Catty and Bratty says they found empty gun in dumbster at garage(along with rest of stuff they sell so the cowboy hat too)... So I guess someone could have died there and since only way to enter the underworld is through hole with flower bed at bottom that would explain where the seeds for flowers came from...

Still, if that would be the case, why there aren't flower beds on the five other kids? The gun one is the one that got farthest if you think about item locations

I guess Alphys might explain it too since she spends lot of time there

edited 27th Sep '15 1:15:08 PM by SpookyMask

Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#231: Sep 27th 2015 at 1:38:49 PM

We don't know that they're kids. I kind of doubt the sixth person was given their equipment. Or even the chef. Honestly if I had to guess only Toy Knife/Ribbon was besides the PC, obviously.

ShadowDimentio Your Best Friend from the Underground Since: Jun, 2012
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#232: Sep 27th 2015 at 2:24:12 PM

The coffins were all child-sized.

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CountofBleck Starting to believe in himself from New Wirral (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Starting to believe in himself
#233: Sep 27th 2015 at 2:25:02 PM

[up][up] I'm pretty sure Toriel mentioned they were all kids. Plus remember the Gun was empty, and it was never explained if it was a real gun or something like a BB.

edited 27th Sep '15 2:25:12 PM by CountofBleck

ShadowDimentio Your Best Friend from the Underground Since: Jun, 2012
Your Best Friend
#234: Sep 27th 2015 at 2:30:05 PM

So I'm sure everyone has already pieced this together, but you know on the Game Over screen how someone is talking to you?

It's Asgore, talking to the Fallen Child as they're dying from way back.

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Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#235: Sep 27th 2015 at 2:39:42 PM

Which is kind of ironic given he'll say it even after he kills you. Or when you're inches from slaughtering him and his kingdom in Genocide mode.

Speaking of. Something else I noticed regarding that is the fact that ASGORE uses a bit of the game over theme mixed into it, just to make it clearer.

edited 27th Sep '15 2:49:22 PM by Hashil

CountofBleck Starting to believe in himself from New Wirral (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Starting to believe in himself
#236: Sep 27th 2015 at 3:26:51 PM

CommanderHolly and Game Grump's Ross are taking a shot at Undertale

"I don't think you get punished for killing people."

heheheheheh....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

edited 27th Sep '15 3:27:28 PM by CountofBleck

CountofBleck Starting to believe in himself from New Wirral (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Starting to believe in himself
#237: Sep 27th 2015 at 3:51:13 PM

Double posting, but I can confirm that Sans does have "gasterblasters" written in his script of the final boss. We can take this as 100% confirmation his is involved with Gaster in some way.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#238: Sep 27th 2015 at 4:43:07 PM

The giant Determination extractor machine looks an awful lot like the skull beam cannons Sans fires at you.

The connection I made was between the Determination extraction machine and Astiel's "ultimate attack".

Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
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#240: Sep 27th 2015 at 8:14:56 PM

So, part of me's been considering going through with a genocide run after doing the Pacifist run (not sure if I'm going to actually finish it off, since I heard some bad things if you actually go 100%). Are there enough differences and new content to make it worth it?

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#241: Sep 27th 2015 at 9:23:40 PM

Well, the most hardest boss fights are on that path. And different music xD Actually lot of scenes are different, in kinda black comedy way that is kinda depressing

CountofBleck Starting to believe in himself from New Wirral (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Starting to believe in himself
#242: Sep 27th 2015 at 10:30:55 PM

[up][up] You have to eat a certain amount of puppies and kittens in fron of the owners families if you wanna try Genocide mode after Pacifist.

And by that I mean you have to be the worst human being alive.

edited 27th Sep '15 10:31:31 PM by CountofBleck

NEO from Qrrbrbirlbel Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
#243: Sep 27th 2015 at 10:43:56 PM

Got the true ending. I don't know if my heart is ready for Genocide Run. tonguetonguetongue

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#245: Sep 28th 2015 at 2:04:40 AM

BTW, bit annoyed at fridge logic page at that fallen child is fallen child due to them being "fallen" due to disease. I mean, yeah, monsters do use "fell down" for dying, but I think thats not the reason in this case xD I think the reason is that you are naming child that fell in intro instead of the one in the game, so i think thats something that spreads misinformation since I've heard that somewhere else as well

stevebat Since: Nov, 2009
#246: Sep 28th 2015 at 2:06:44 AM

Well the fallen child did die from an unknown sickness. Later on revealed to be a poison. Personally I prefer to refer to the child as [PLAYERNAME] or Chara

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FlamingoKai a.k.a. Malco from Tolbi Since: Jan, 2012
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#247: Sep 28th 2015 at 2:11:36 AM

Despite being utterly spoiled by my Archive Binge on this thread, I still want to get and play this game. Is that bad?

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stevebat Since: Nov, 2009
#248: Sep 28th 2015 at 2:14:49 AM

Oh no not at all.

Some parts are just that difficult to explain. I can imagine even spoiled you can get good enjoyment out of the game

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FlamingoKai a.k.a. Malco from Tolbi Since: Jan, 2012
a.k.a. Malco
#249: Sep 28th 2015 at 2:33:43 AM

Well, I may have tried it at some point, I think I killed that "goat lady" in the demo and felt really horrible even if at that time I didn't see another way to get past her... getting spoiled with the alternate way is one of the encouraging factors for me to get this.

Oh by the way, about the saves getting tainted after No Mercy Run is there a way to completely start over by utterly wiping the save file?

edited 28th Sep '15 2:35:29 AM by FlamingoKai

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stevebat Since: Nov, 2009
#250: Sep 28th 2015 at 2:43:40 AM

I believe there's a specific file to delete.

But it's a complicated process and you can basically stop your run after beating Sans and still be just fine. Though Sans will be pissed at you.

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