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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#326: Apr 10th 2023 at 10:14:55 AM

I doubt anyone outside of D&D fans even remembers the other movies.

So...the intended audience?

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#327: Apr 10th 2023 at 1:16:04 PM

I remember them. I watched Wrath of the Dragon God (not bad imo, even as its own fantasy movie) but the 2000 one was...definitely eh.

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#328: Apr 10th 2023 at 1:26:55 PM

I only watched one Dungeons and Dragons movie and I can't even remember if it was the first movie or any of the other movies before the most recent one. That shows just how forgettable the earlier Dungeons and Dragons movies were.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#329: Apr 10th 2023 at 1:42:56 PM

Just got back from this movie and I loved it. I will say, the final confrontation makes up for how... action movie-ish (I guess?) the fight scenes were previously.

DND's such a collaborative/party based concept that getting I was waiting a big, dynamic party based fight scene where everyone does something and they all work together, but there's a lot of the typical "cool character does a cool thing all by themselves, while everyone else stands around and waits." Which was cool, but felt like a waste of concept.

But that just put in me into a false sense of wariness for the final fight, which was... chef's kiss (really, the entire final segment in Neverwinter, starting with the Games). It deliberately averts a lot of generic action movie trademarks - just everyone is involved, has something to do, and all at once with lots of fast action choreography - and because of it actually might be one of my favorite final fights in an action movie ever.

I also appreciate the way this movie handles romance.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 10th 2023 at 4:01:20 AM

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#330: Apr 10th 2023 at 8:04:43 PM

The movie definitely had a running theme about current and past relationships. It even takes a kind of nuanced and varied stance on how such things can be handled.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#331: Apr 10th 2023 at 8:08:22 PM

I also liked the movie's take on Disney Death. It's incredibly expected how it's going to end the moment we see it, but the sheer shock Holga shows in reaction to the characters' decision to save her sells the scene and makes it feel... genuine, I guess.

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#332: Apr 10th 2023 at 8:10:40 PM

I like that the male and female leads have a platonic thing going on.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#333: Apr 10th 2023 at 8:13:46 PM

It's another surprisingly complex touch too: Holga is unambiguously Kira's mother figure, and Edgin and Holga are unambiguously co-parenting her, but they're also staunchly not romantically involved. A lesser movie would default them to a romantic relationship.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#334: Apr 10th 2023 at 8:20:11 PM

To me, thats what lent Holga's revival the weight it needed. Yeah, you could see it coming as soon as she was shown to be wounded. But the fact that Edgin was then forced to choose between his wife and his daughter's mother made that scene work.

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#335: Apr 10th 2023 at 8:25:11 PM

Me, -0.5 points for unironic use of the viral “wife who dies at the beginning of the movie” tweet, +0.25 for paralleling said dead wife with the hot guy they met along the way.

Edited by Synchronicity on Apr 10th 2023 at 10:26:03 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#336: Apr 10th 2023 at 8:57:31 PM

Speaking of, did anyone else immediately imagine Xenk as a DMPC?

On the off chance that this is a Lego Movie style "there are players controlling the characters" bit (which the movie gives no indication of, admittedly), he fits the bill completely.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#337: Apr 10th 2023 at 8:59:11 PM

He was apparently supposed to be Drizzt Do'Urden so absolutely he was an NPC.

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#338: Apr 10th 2023 at 9:00:06 PM

Taking it under a meta lense, I saw him more as a single session guest player.

EDIT: I had no idea he was going to be Drizzt at some point. Dang. I'm kinda torn. On one hand, Drizzt. On the other hand, Xenk was one of my favorite parts of the movie

Edited by Zeromaeus on Apr 10th 2023 at 12:22:45 PM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#339: Apr 10th 2023 at 9:26:50 PM

Yeah, it's why he's a guy that:

  • Does a very Ranger-esque opening of helping a baby with an animal
  • Is a legend everyone has heard of
  • Is someone from a very evil race (Thayans/Drow) but not all Thayans/Drow are evil
  • They go into the Underdark with him as a guide

:)

It does mean that we'd probably get Guen rather than a Displacer beast.

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#340: Apr 10th 2023 at 9:40:01 PM

Do we know why they changed their minds about Drizzt? The Trivia page just says “unnamed controversy.”

Edited by HeraldAlberich on Apr 10th 2023 at 12:40:10 PM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#341: Apr 10th 2023 at 10:11:51 PM

https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/dungeons-dragons-movie-drizzt-role-xenk-scrapped/

They basically say, "Some controversy"

And I'm assuming it's the fact the drow are basically stuck with the fact they have all manner of Unfortunate Implications they're still trying to figure out and I think they're using Baldur's Gate III to hash out.

Specifically, I imagine the controversy is, "How do we represent Drizzt's race on screen? What sort of ethnicity and color?"

Not to put too fine a point on it.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Apr 10th 2023 at 10:12:45 AM

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#342: Apr 10th 2023 at 10:13:22 PM

Oh no. Yeah I get why putting the drow race who are all dark skinned and stereotyped as evil would cause controversy in the big screen.

They even made the one Tiefling white, when that race has all sorts of skin colors.

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HeraldAlberich from Ohio (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#343: Apr 10th 2023 at 10:25:11 PM

I mean, that ashy gray skintone already very deliberately doesn’t match a real-world shade of brown, and if the one drow in the movie is not evil I think they could have gotten away with it.

But besides Xenk being great, the backstory they came up with for him that ties into the main plot probably works a lot better in the end than “here’s a famous character for the fans. Ok now he’s leaving.” They put the fat dragon in for that purpose instead. [lol]

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#344: Apr 10th 2023 at 10:42:50 PM

Themberchaud.

I'll be honest. I'm glad they didn't kill him. Chonk dragon lives to chonk another day.

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#345: Apr 11th 2023 at 5:54:10 AM

> They even made the one Tiefling white, when that race has all sorts of skin colors.

they're like Star wars's Twi'lek in that they come in all the colours of the rainbow,but I think its fine for now if their depiction is generic. if they make a sequel expect to see plenty of tieflings in different hues

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#346: Apr 11th 2023 at 6:50:12 AM

[up][up] They see me rollin'. They hatin'.

And yeah, I never liked Always Chaotic Evil as a trope, and I'm happy to see more people are growing uncomfortable with it. I think it very much says something that D&D, the very work that named it, is now doing its damndest to see it yeeted into the sun. [lol]

HeraldAlberich from Ohio (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#347: Apr 11th 2023 at 8:53:58 AM

I'll be honest. I'm glad they didn't kill him. Chonk dragon lives to chonk another day.

I mean, unless he drowned because he couldn't fly away when they drained the ocean into that cavern. I wonder how much of the Underdark flooded before the levels equalized?

Edited by HeraldAlberich on Apr 11th 2023 at 11:54:46 AM

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#348: Apr 11th 2023 at 1:41:18 PM

I kinda wonder if Doric was meant to be colored, but they didn't want to do extensive make-up and doing it digitally would be expensive.

I otherwise can't really think of a reason why she's a Tiefling.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#349: Apr 11th 2023 at 2:05:31 PM

I think colored Tieflings are for arrivalists.

But I know Tieflings from Planescape.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5bd88db093a6320f071b1a50/1626921932647-GS9L4SKJHNBAO61LEGD0/2e_PCS_CiphersFactolRhys.jpg?format=500w

:)

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Apr 11th 2023 at 2:08:30 AM

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lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#350: Apr 11th 2023 at 2:06:12 PM

[up]x3 I mean if the protagonists didn't drown, I'm sure he could also survive a dip.

Edited by lycropath on Apr 11th 2023 at 3:27:48 AM


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